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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 18 March 23 15:16 GMT (UK) »
It all sounds very feasible and links through addresses and dates of birth.

1939 register - There is a Christopher Jones b 25 Dec 1900 which is a year out but not unknown, wife Edith b1910 living Lewisham, London, England. 2 redacted entries.

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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 18 March 23 18:54 GMT (UK) »
It all sounds extremely feasible.
(Wish you had given that information in original post)
Side tracked to a friendís very interesting Norfolk families. MORGAN, PRATT, HORNOR, SUCKLING, GLEANE etc. And in London DOWNES, du CROZ, MORGAN (same MORGANs as the Norwich lot)

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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 18 March 23 20:54 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I apologize about that. I should have. I wasn't sure such a long post would be appreciate, and the short direct question about the birth certificate was all I was really looking forward to. I didn't realize people would try to be so helpful as to look up censuses and all. I am very thankful and grateful to all who responded. I imagine it is only going to get harder going back a further generation, so I'm sure I will be seeking more advice here.

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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 18 March 23 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Did you notice on the 1901 census that there's a boarder - John H Hughes aged 23 of Llanrug. Related?

Also Owen is 11 months not 11 years old as your write up suggests

Interesting family in Llanrug in 1891

Hugh Hughes    53    b LLanrug
Jane Hughes   52    Wife b Llandegfan Anglesea
Ellen Hughes   27    Daughter b Llandegfan Anglesea
John Hughes    13    Son   b LLanrug


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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 18 March 23 22:58 GMT (UK) »
I did notice the John H. Hughes as a boarder, but hadn't thought much about it yet.  I must have mistyped Owen's age, because I did know it was 11 months.

Thanks for the find in the 1891 census. I had not come across that yet. I'm going to make a note about it. I'm still waiting for the William and Ellen (Hughes) Jones marriage certificate which should help confirm or disprove whether this is the right family.

Is there any interesting history or information about Lllanrug? I haven't found much on the internet other than wikipedia.

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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 19 March 23 15:25 GMT (UK) »
Following up on the 1891 census posted by Mabel, if it turns out to be the right family, these seem to be the same Hugh Hughes and Jane

Marriage on 26th September 1857 at Llandegfan:-
Hugh Hughes, quarryman, of Llanrug, son of Griffith Hughes, quarryman
Jane Parry of Llandegfan, daughter of Hugh Parry, labourer.
Witnesses: Thomas Hughes and Sarah Prichard

Baptisms:-
Hugh Hughes, son of Hugh, quarryman, and Jane, on 27th January 1861 in Llandegfan.
Ellen Hughes, daughter of Hugh, quarryman, and Jane, on 24th April 1864 in Llandegfan.

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WS-N65K (at Talygwynedd)

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:V515-WFQ (at Brynhyfryd, Cwm-y-glo)
https://media.onthemarket.com/properties/4442692/1038600679/document-0.pdf
https://themovemarket.com/tools/propertyprices/2-bryn-hyfryd-terrace-caernarfon-ll55-4du

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M72G-PSM (Griffith)

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M72T-Q75 (Hugh)

1851: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVK-ZV1
Griffith born in Llanfairiesgoer (Llanfair is gaer)

1841: https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M7QB-NWT

My 3x great grandfather was a Methodist preacher in Llanrug, so might have known some of the family. He was in Cwm-y-glo in 1861.

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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 02:32 »
Hi David,

Thanks for all the information. I just looked through it all and it looks like a good match. I'm hoping to have Ellen and Williams marriage certificate by the end of this week (beginning of next at the latest) and we will see if it is a match.

Where was the baptism information from? Were they Church of England or non-conformist?

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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 15:05 »
The marriage and baptisms are on https://www.findmypast.co.uk/ but you need a subscription to view them. They were at the parish church.

The following might be the birth registrations, although there are two Hughs and the dates are not the same as the baptisms. I can't find a baptism for John.

HUGHES, ELLEN mmn PARRY 
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in ANGLESEY Volume 11B Page 523

HUGHES, HUGH mmn PARRY 
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in ANGLESEY Volume 11B Page 501

HUGHES, HUGH PARRY 
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in ANGLESEY Volume 11B Page 571

HUGHES, JOHN mmn PARRY 
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in ANGLESEY Volume 11B Page 580

The marriage of Hugh Hughes to Jane Parry was probably Q3 1857 in Bangor.

This map has Brynhyfryd in Cwm-y-glo

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17.1&lat=53.14038&lon=-4.16931&layers=168&right=ESRIWorld

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Re: Question about Jane Jones Birth Certificate - Llanrug
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 19:35 »
You have homed in on "your" Jane so well.
It's a pity the American papers muddied the waters with their "age 22" in reporting the romance. Nonetheless they identified the ship she sailed on in 1920 where she gave her age as 27 on the passenger list and published a  photo of the couple after the happy event.

S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -† Price
Abergwynfi -† Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -† Lewis.