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Mystery Charottte McGauley
« on: Saturday 25 March 23 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi, can anyone help some official records for Charlotte? I can't find anything using my limited search skills? I feel this should be easy but I can't find anything. I have two other people who appear to be more skilled than me and they haven't found anything official. Here's what I have:

Charlotte McGauley 01 July 1923
Married James (Jim) Gordon 24 June 1949 - 1986

Children:
James Gordon 1950 - 2002
and two or three living children.

Died: 18 May 2000
Address: 8 Tyndale Dr, Belfast BT14 8HN
Charlotte and the two James' are buried in Roselawn cemetery in Belfast plot R 201
Possible Father & Mother William McGauley & Elizabeth Clarke
(not this one: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=871354.0

Here's the thing. After finding a grave with a Charlotte & James Gordon. I decided to visit the address listed as their home address (listed above). the occupants verified that Charlotte was indeed their mother and was Charlotte McGauley. This is where I got the birth and marriage information, they emailed it too me. But even that has not provided any new information for me. I tried asking for more information such as marriage location on a few occasions via email, but never received any reply. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  :)

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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 March 23 19:50 GMT (UK) »
You need to remove the details of anyone in your post who could still be living
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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 March 23 19:57 GMT (UK) »
Oh, Sorry I wasn't aware of that! Obviously I didn't read the forum posting rules. I'll modify this post thanks  :)

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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 March 23 20:23 GMT (UK) »
If you look here https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/go-groni-online

you can only search birth records over 100 years old so that leaves a few months before Charlotte’s birth anniversary.

Perhaps you could contact GRONI?
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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 March 23 21:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

thanks for the help. I tried GRONI in the hopes that it might show up her birth (even though I was a few months early). I'll maybe contact them as you say, but I would image they'll tell me to wait. Thanks

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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #5 on: Monday 24 April 23 08:36 BST (UK) »
I can kick things off, for I can see a transcript of a baptism in St. Vincent De Paul Church, Belfast, for a Charlotte McGauley on 2 July 1923, date of birth was recorded as 1 July 1923, the parents were recorded as Patrick McGauley and Lizzie Clarke of 28 Legnavea Street.

To the same couple at the same address (working back) ...

- a daughter Sarah was born in November 1919:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01226/1510290.pdf

- a son William was born in March 1918, note that the father's full name was recorded as Patrick Michael McGauley:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01290/1534556.pdf

- a son John Patrick was born in October 1915:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01362/1561731.pdf

- a daughter Lizzie was born in October 1914:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574661.pdf

To the same couple, but spelled MaGauley and with the address recorded as 50 Legnavea Street (though the informant was from 28 Legnavea Street), a son John Patrick was born March 1909:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01616/1647976.pdf

At first I looked for a civil marriage registration for Patrick McGauley and Elizabeth Clarke earlier than the above 1909 birth and couldn't find one, but then noticed a transcript for a baptism on 14 December 1923 in St. Vincent De Paul Church for an Elizabeth Clarke of 28 Legnavea Street.  The baptismal record has the the comment 'baptized sub conditione', which in this scenario means that she was an adult convert with the assumption of any previous baptism having been performed by a protestant clergman.  There is a further comment to say that Elizabeth married Patrick McGauley on the same day, 14/12/1923, in St. Vincent's, Ligoniel (ie. De Paul Church, Belfast). I could not readily find a civil registration for that marriage on the GRONI website, perhaps fresh eyes can.

HOWEVER, I did find a transcript of the St. Vincent's record of marriage on that day in 1923, in it, the groom and bride were recorded as Patrick 'McGanley' and Elizabeth Clarke of 28 Legnavea Street, Patrick's parents were recorded as Daniel McGanley and Sara O'Rourke, Elizabeth's parents were not recorded, the witnesses were a Maurice O'Neill and Rebecca McAfee of Legnavea Street.

One last thing before I have to head out for the morning. The informant present at birth of John Patrick Magauley in 1909 was an Agnes Keith of 28 Legnavea Street, a quick check of the 1911 Ireland census suggests that this household in Legnavea Street (house 14 as enumerated, but street number 28) is connected:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Legnavea_Street/171576/

At first glance, I'm assuming that Agnes Keith and 'Skeath' were one and the same person and that with the mention of Clarkes in the household, this was Elizabeth's immediate family or other relatives.  So, plenty to work with for you and anyone else reading. When I get back later, I'll have another look at this, if no-one else has.


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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #6 on: Monday 24 April 23 09:09 BST (UK) »
That is great research, gaffy.  :)
I hope napbrady sees the notification soon.
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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 April 23 16:52 BST (UK) »
Upon checking the 'Ancestry' website, I have found a number of trees for that couple Patrick McGauley and Elizabeth Clarke.  Of course the usual caveat applies about accuracy, especially where the information is unsourced.  Most of the trees don't seem to be aware of Charlotte b. 1923, most if not all of the trees are very light on information about the Clarke side generally, but there are some interesting tidbits in there worth following up and validating, should the OP come back.  The main thing is that Charlotte's connection into that family has now been established.   


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Re: Mystery Charottte McGauley
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 April 23 17:33 BST (UK) »
I do hope that after all the work on this post that OP does return to read and acknowledge it.
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