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Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« on: Wednesday 29 March 23 06:29 BST (UK) »
Septimus Thompson Query

Septimus Thompson was my great-grandfather on my father’s side. It’s been very difficult to find out anything about him, and my family has not left any information about him at all (I suspect he was an embarrassing chapter in the family history). This is what I know of him (sorry it’s long, but I like to give as much information as possible because someone might see what I haven’t seen).

Father:   William Thomas Thompson (Farmer) (4 Jan 1807 at South Shields, Durham - 6 February 1871 at 12 Pier Terrace, Westoe, Durham aged 64 years).
Mother:   Margaret Hewison Lister (1816/7 at Kibblesworth, Durham - 1884 at South Shields, Durham).
Children:   William (1843 - ).
           Robert (1845 - ).
           Margaret Ann (1846 - ).
           Jane (1847/8 - ).
           Foster Hewison (1850 - 1937).
           Edward (1852 - ).
           Matthew (1856/7 - 1903).
           Septimus (25 September 1859 – 21 June 1897).

Septimus:
Birth:   Twenty Fifth September 1859 Westoe, South Shields.
Baptism:   23 October 1859 St Hilda's Church South Shields.
Married:   16 January 1889 at Church of England, Moor Street, Fitzroy, Melbourne, to Rosa Maria Grimsley    (1864 at Warracknabeal, Victoria – 31 October 1953 at 73 Ballantyne Street, Thornbury).
                 Marriage certificate records Septimus as working as a butcher in South Melbourne.
Death:    21 June 1897 in Melbourne, Australia.
Children:    Hilda Margaret (9 September 1889 – 28 September 1951).
                 Hilda married John Mitchell (1885 – 1949) in Melbourne.

                 After Septimus died, Rosa married William Henry Wraith in 1902 and had two more
                 children.

Additional information about his movements.:
1881 Census records Septimus aged 21 years living at 149 Dale Street, South Shields.
1883 South Shields commercial list records him working as a butcher at 40 Dale Street, South Shields.
        Copy of advertisement supports the possibility that he had opened the business himself.
1889 (16 January) married in South Melbourne.
1897 Died in Melbourne. His death certificate records him as single with no issue, but there is no
        record of a divorce.

There is no definitive record of when he arrived in Melbourne. It’s possible that he first went to another state or to New Zealand first, but I can’t find the records despite numerous searches. The best I can find is four S. Thompsons who arrived separately between 1883 and 1888.

Questions:

I’d like to find more records of his butcher’s shop in South Shields as this might help me to work our when he emigrated. Basically, what happened and where was he during that six-year period (1883 -1889)?

I’m also wondering whether or not Septimus had any criminal convictions. There was a Septimus Thompson who lived in New South Wales who had convictions for theft in 1895, 1896 and 1898, but he was born in Seymour (Victoria) and one of the convictions was after “my” Septimus had died. I’d also like to find out if “my” Septimus had any convictions in Durham.

If there’s anyone out there who can steer me in the right direction I’d be very grateful.

Thanks!
       Peter

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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 06:44 BST (UK) »
Rosa Marie Grimsley - in case you don't have her family
Born in 1861 - Stanley, Victoria, Australia
Deceased 31 October 1953 - Thornbury, Victoria, Australia, aged 92 years old
 
Parents
William Grimsley 1828-1902
Jane Elizabeth Harris 1832-1904
 
Siblings
F Eliza Grimsley 1857-1857
F Agnes Jane Grimsley 1859-1942
M John Oscar Grimsley 1861-1923
F Rosa Marie Grimsley 1861-1953
F Constance Lucy Grimsley 1866-1942
F Florence Emma Grimsley 1867-1942
F Elizabeth Ann Grimsley 1869-1951
M William Morran Grimsley 1871-1917
 
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 06:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Garstonite.

That's really helpful. Rosa being born at Stanley makes much more sense than in Warracknabeal. I have the following information about the family:

William Grimsley

Birth:   21 April 1828 in Bicester, Oxfordshire, England.
Death:   13 December 1902 at Harrietville, Victoria.
Occ.   Hotelkeeper (Recorded as Mason on Rosa and Septimus’s marriage certificate).
Spouse:   Jane Elizabeth Harris
Birth:   5 November 1832 at Oxfordshire, England.
Death:   5 June 1904 at Harrietville, Victoria.
Marr:   21 April 1856 at St. Giles, Headington, Oxfordshire, England.

Children:   Elvia (Eliza) (6 November 1857 – 16 November 1857). Both at Bicester, Oxfordshire,
                England.
           Agnes Jane (1859 – 1942). Born at Beechworth, Victoria.
           John Oscar (1861 – 26 August 1923). Died at Hawthorn, Melbourne.
           Rosa Maria (1864 – 31 October 1953) at Warracknabeal, Victoria.
           Constance Lucy (4 March 1866 – 1942) at Owens River, Victoria.
                Florence Emma (20 September 1867 – 12 April 1940). Born at Horses Creek, Victoria. Died
                at Bright, Victoria.
                Elizabeth Ann (7 July 1869 – 2 December 1951). Born at Harrietville, Victoria. Died at
                Harrietville, Victoria.
           William Morran (4 June 1871 – 30 October 1917) both at Harrietville, Victoria.

                Please tell me if I have any mistakes in this.
                How are you related to Rosa?

                Peter

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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 08:13 BST (UK) »
Just pasted from the ocr, but are these his premises to let?

WANTED. ANTED, APPRENTICE. —Apply to A. TRANKLE, Watchmaker, 46 Green Street, South Shields. •"' 1:0 PAINTERS. WANTED, TENDERS for Painting
 LET, S< if-Contained HOUSE "of 3" RoomY, JL Dale ant Agnes Street; Frontage 40 feet suitable for Business, especi:illy for Butchering.—. Apply M. Dale Street. . • TO LET, the BLACKSMITH SHOP and FORESHORE, Alum House Quay; also SHOP and ROOMS in West Holborn
12 May 1885 - Shields Daily Gazette - South Shields, Durham


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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 08:23 BST (UK) »
tree owner is a Mr Wunsch -
William Grimsley
Born 21 April 1828 - Bicester, Oxfordshire, England
Deceased 12 December 1902 - Harrietville, Victoria, Australia, aged 74 years old
 
Spouses and children
Married 21 April 1856, St Giles, Oxfordshire, England, to Jane Elizabeth Harris 1832-1904 with
F Eliza Grimsley 1857-1857
F Agnes Jane Grimsley 1859-1942
M John Oscar Grimsley 1861-1923
F Rosa Marie Grimsley 1861-1953
F Constance Lucy Grimsley 1866-1942
F Florence Emma Grimsley 1867-1942
F Elizabeth Ann Grimsley 1869-1951
M William Morran Grimsley 1871-1917
 
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 08:48 BST (UK) »
1883 Kelly´s Directory of Newcastle, Gateshead, Sunderland, North and South Shields and Suburbs
Septimus Thompson
Publication Year   1883
Address 40 Dale Street
Residence Place   Northumberland, Durham, England
Occupation Butcher

In 1881, Eleanor Atkinson aged 28 and her 2 young daughters Minnie and Eleanor were living at 40 Dale Street.

1881 ATKINSON, ELEANOR mmn THOMPSON 
GRO Reference: 1881  M Quarter in SOUTHSHIELD  Volume 10A  Page 699

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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 08:56 BST (UK) »
He opened the shop at 40 Dale Street in April 1881

(ad in Shields Daily Gazette of 8 April 1881, page 2)
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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 09:06 BST (UK) »
Have you seen this item about a Septimus Thompson who was a stowaway on the Lavinia in 1886?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3007005?searchTerm=%22septimus%20thompson%22
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Re: Septimus Thompson (1859 - 1897) from Westoe, Durham.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 23:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks to mckha489 for the clue about the advertisement and to heatherjulie for the additional information. Both very helpful clues. The May date in 1885 possibly links to ShaunJ's information, which is a bit of a game changer for me. Put together, this information gives me some confidence that this is probably my great grandfather.

My guess is that one possibility is that Septimus might have closed the business and then decided to leave for Australia by whatever means. The Trove report that he was a stowaway on the Lavinia together with the description of him in the newspaper report suggests to me that he might well have fled debt in South Shields. From W.A., he seems to have made his way to Melbourne where he married my great grandmother in 1889.

It's all very intriguing and it has given me a lot of leads to follow. A huge thank you to everyone for this information.

Peter