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Re: Some names and place names in 1558 will
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 21:42 BST (UK) »
I came across Robert Bainbrigge aka Bianbridge who was a Derby merchant, Bailiff and MP.
In his will said by National Archives to be proved 30 October, 1558.

Some confusion here?

The extracts you have posted are from the will of William Baynbrigge, not Robert.
 
The National Archives gives the date of probate of this will as 30 October 1583, not 1558.

This seems to be him ...
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/bainbridge-william-1583

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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 22:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks Bookbox and I corrected the date to 1583 and changed Robert to William.
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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 23:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Bookbox.
William Bainbridge / Bainbrigg bequeathed 40/- to Derby Bourugh to appoint a minister in perpetuity which made me think it should say parsonage. He also bequeathed £45 to build and maintain a school for poor children of Derby.

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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 29 March 23 23:50 BST (UK) »
Finally part of page 3 of 3 pages:
I numbered my hardcopy as follows:
TOP LINE #94
BOTTOM LINE (SHOWN HERE) LINE #125

LINES 94 & 95 "gardenship" or guardianship?

LINE 106 cousin John Lyngett (?)

LINE 107 Thomas Fitch?

LINE 110 Thomas Smythe (?)

LINE 113 "of Alththry to Aerye" ? ???

LINE 125 "Robert Bainbrigge, William Bainbrigge Thomas Nororther (?), Thomas Whiteheed (?)

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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 30 March 23 00:15 BST (UK) »
94 – gardenshipp 
(Doubtless it means ‘guardianship’, but that’s not what’s written. I can’t see this same word in line 95, as you suggest.)

106 – John Lyngett
There is no ‘cousin’. The line reads:
shillinges. Item I give and bequeathe to John Lyngett the Som(m)e of Twentie shillinges

107 – Thomas ffitche

110 – Thomas Smythe

113 – of Ashebye to everye of theme (meaning 'to each of them')
(This place-name also appears in line 103, spelt Asshebye.)

125 – Robert Baynbrigge William Bainbrigge Thomas ffowcher Thomas White clerk
('Clerk' in this context usually means 'Clergyman')

It really is important when transcribing to reproduce the original, and not 'correct' it to what you think it should be.

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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 30 March 23 10:10 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for replies and corrections. I can only make the weak excuse putting the year of the will as 1558 instead of 1583 as a senior moment, albeit I do have a Chancery court case still to do dated 19/07/1553 - 17/11/1558 concerning the deliberate destruction of a bridge leading to mills in Derby and assault on men working at the mills. William "Barnbridge" aka Bainbrigge aka Bainbridge was joint owner of mills with William More and Humphry Buxton. This occurred in Nov 1553 and caused the none attendance at the opening of Parliament in January, 1554 of Barnbridge and More and they were both suspended and fined for being absent.
A book, "The House of Commons, 1509 - 1558: Appendices A - C". gives some interesting information about "William Bainbrigge" it says the bridge leading to his mills that was destroyed was in "Darley". Darley Abbey is one mile North of Derby on the River Derwent. If this bridge was in Darley Abbey it would be an exciting discovery as the first bridge in Darley didn't show on any map until 1811.
The House of Commons article mentions that when "William Bainbrigge" was Bailiff of Derby in 1558 at the end of the reign of Bloody Mary he carried out the sentence on Protestant martyr Joan Waste who was burned alive on Castle Hill (lately Cockpit Hill) in Derby where Bainbridge owned land and tenements.

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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 30 March 23 15:35 BST (UK) »
Bookbox I acknowledged the link you posted The History of Parliament  online. There is another link I saw previously with early date 1509 - 58 and this gives even more information about William Bainbridge. I also have same page from book of same name Appendixes A - C and I attach page here temporarily.
The bridge destroyed in November, 1554 was said to be in "Darley" (See this attachment). Darley Abbey is one mile North of Derby on the River Derwent. The National Archives Chancery case William Baynbrigg, William More and Humphry Buxton were plaintiffs against Robert Smyth, Roger Burdon, William Buckley, John Hope, Roger Middleton and Robert Wilson accused of destroying a bridge and of assaulting men working at mills connected by the bridge.
Until the Chancery bill is transcribed I can't be sure if the mills were in Derby or Darley near Derby.

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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 30 March 23 16:16 BST (UK) »
" ... a bridge giving access to mills at Darley owned by them and one Humphrey Buxton was destroyed."

A small point: it seems to have been the mills that were at Darley, not the bridge, as Andy suggested earlier.

Darley Abbey didn't become an ecclesiastical parish until 1847, but the large parish of Darley lay in Derbyshire further to the north.  There were mills there, so couldn't they have been referring to that?   

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Re: Some names and place names in 1583 will
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 30 March 23 16:46 BST (UK) »
Watson,
It is easy to confuse Darley in Peak District about 25 miles from Derby with Darley Abbey, one mile North of Derby.
This is the National Archives description of the Chancery bill and neither Darley or Darley Abbey is mentioned and other National Archives summaries of different cases sometimes specify "Darley near Derby".

NATIONAL ARCHIVES DESCRIPTION of BILL:
Reference:   STAC 4/9/47
Description:   
PLAINTIFF: William Barnbridge, William More, and Humphrey Buxton DEFENDANT: Robert Smyth, Roger Burden, William Bukley, John Hepe, Roger Myddelton, and Robert Wilson PLACE OR SUBJECT: Destruction of a bridge and assault on men working plaintiffs' millsat Derby COUNTY: Derby

Date:   19/07/1553-17/11/1558
Held by:   The National Archives, Kew

Unless I get a copy of the bill I won't know where the mills or the bridge destroyed were.

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