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Before census
« on: Friday 31 March 23 14:10 BST (UK) »
Any one know if you can find out ancestors job before the census started.

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Re: Before census
« Reply #1 on: Friday 31 March 23 14:47 BST (UK) »
Some marriages and childrens baptisms list occupations, also there may be newspaper reports about the person which often give occupation
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Re: Before census
« Reply #2 on: Friday 31 March 23 17:35 BST (UK) »
If your ancestors came from somewhere relatively small then it might be worth reading any local autobiographies, historical accounts in case they happen to be mentioned.

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Re: Before census
« Reply #3 on: Friday 31 March 23 17:36 BST (UK) »
Wills often give the occupation of the deceased.

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Re: Before census
« Reply #4 on: Friday 31 March 23 17:49 BST (UK) »
Have a look on the Leicester University website at the HISTORICAL DIRECTORIES.

These directories list everyone living in places and you may be lucky and find the year you are interested in

https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: Before census
« Reply #5 on: Friday 31 March 23 18:34 BST (UK) »
If they were tenant farmers you may find them in land records (I have some from the 1750’s). I also know the occupation of someone from the same period because it is given in a poor law removal order (so somewhat lower down the social scale than the farmers). I’ve been lucky with some poll books and  apprenticeship documents too.
ESSEX: Cramphorn Raven Sams Sayers Taylor; GLOS: Beacham/Beauchamp; HERTS: Chamberlain Chuck; LEICS: Allot Bentley Godfrey Greasley Hunt Hurst Jarvis Lane Lea Light Woodward; LINCS: Lambert Mitchell Muse ; STAFFS: Hodgkins Jarvis; SURREY: Light; WARKS: Astley/Chesshire Bradbury Hicken/Hickin Hudson; WORCS: Ballinger Beauchamp Laight

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Re: Before census
« Reply #6 on: Friday 31 March 23 18:36 BST (UK) »
Have a look on the Leicester University website at the HISTORICAL DIRECTORIES.

These directories list everyone living in places and you may be lucky and find the year you are interested in

https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4

IME these can be informative but they certainly don’t list everyone in a place.
ESSEX: Cramphorn Raven Sams Sayers Taylor; GLOS: Beacham/Beauchamp; HERTS: Chamberlain Chuck; LEICS: Allot Bentley Godfrey Greasley Hunt Hurst Jarvis Lane Lea Light Woodward; LINCS: Lambert Mitchell Muse ; STAFFS: Hodgkins Jarvis; SURREY: Light; WARKS: Astley/Chesshire Bradbury Hicken/Hickin Hudson; WORCS: Ballinger Beauchamp Laight

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Re: Before census
« Reply #7 on: Friday 31 March 23 18:43 BST (UK) »
There are a variety of quasi-censuses. For instance, the Great Fire of Potton in the 1780s burned down half the town, and the accounts of the trustees of the national appeal for relief survive. They list all of the loss claims ... who claimed, how much they had lost, and what dividend they received. And yes, all of their occupations are stated.

Then there are the registers of duty paid on apprenticeship deeds, which are digitised and searchable online. Their contents vary, but at best you get:  name, place of abode/business and trade of master, name of apprentice; name, place of abode and occupation of apprentice's father; date of apprenticeship deed and premium paid.

If you have innkeepers / publicans in your family then you may be able to tap into a rich seam of justices' recognisances. Once a year they had to enter into a recognisance to keep an orderly house (a bond, effectively, which could be forfeit if they failed to do so) and in many places the justices' registers of recognisances survive. They may not be well indexed or easily searchable, but they are there, and you can check year-on-year whether your ancestor is still keeping the same house, or has moved on to a different one.

(The London Metropolitan Archives have a LOT of London recognisances ... but then there were a lot of public houses in London. They are not well indexed, however, so they can take a lot of searching ... )
All identified names up to and including my great x5 grandparents: Abbot Andrews Baker Blenc(h)ow Brothers Burrows Chambers Clifton Cornwell Escott Fisher Foster Frost Giddins Groom Hardwick Harris Hart Hayho(e) Herman Holcomb(e) Holmes Hurley King-Spooner Martindale Mason Mitchell Murphy Neves Oakey Packman Palmer Peabody Pearce Pettit(t) Piper Pottenger Pound Purkis Rackliff(e) Richardson Scotford Sherman Sinden Snear Southam Spooner Stephenson Varing Weatherley Webb Whitney Wiles Wright

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Re: Before census
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 March 23 19:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks every one will try some of your suggestions just hope Lancashire is among some of them.