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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 11 April 23 00:10 BST (UK) »
Upload to or test with Living DNA. They claim to be able to narrow down to more precise regions within the UK. Surname distribution can do a similar thing as some surnames are more concentrated in certain regions..

If the families were in Cornwall/Devon for millennia a Y-DNA test might be worth consideration.

It is not advisable to take too much notice of the ethnicity percentages, particularly the tiny percentages.

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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 11 April 23 01:11 BST (UK) »
Caz i.ve just clicked on the link you gave

Indeed excellent research and many of the surnames of  people I'm interested in
Love the charts too.

It would be great to do that for my own family

Although I suppose its based on family trees so wouldn't include names from bio parents

Ruskie when the classification is right even small ethnicities can help identify which ancestor a DNA match connects to

I'm helping someone with very varied DNA specific to each person.
It's a bit complicated to explain


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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 11 April 23 11:18 BST (UK) »
I too have Cornish ancestry. In fact, my maternal grandfather has 100% Cornish ancestry, proven without reasonable doubt. Kerrier seems to be the default location, despite my ancestors coming from places nowhere near there. And how does that reflect on my paternal Devon ancestors?
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 11 April 23 11:44 BST (UK) »
Pine I think that shows that a lot of Devon people have Cornish ancestors and also that the definition of Cornish includes Devon

This what ancestry says
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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 11 April 23 12:01 BST (UK) »
I've just learnt to use the more detailed DNA matches communities it's very useful when looking at matches with no trees
For example here's subject with Cornish born father
1st match is his father's cousin who has his Kerrier ethnicity but also Devon
+ East Cornwall isles of Sicily which he does not ...

The next is an unknown connection one who like the other shared matches   has Kerrier

Knowing the regions that a match does not show might be just as revealing as what they do show pine if your maternal and paternal  2nd or 3rd cousins tested you might pinpoint which ancestor  had most Devon
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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 11 April 23 12:36 BST (UK) »
Oh coombs what was your rare name

Cas . YELLAND TRETHAWAY are at top of my friends  tree
Florence YELLAND s daughter wilmot Hicks married Thomas TRETHAWAY B 1735
Daughter Elizabeth married into hisVARCOE/VERCOE line their descendants lived at st Dennis early 1800s

A William.BRAY 1877 from Truro Cornwall m Mary Jane  BINGLOW  related but not direct ancestors

First name is Parmenas. Born 1716 in Bermondsey, Parmenas Jerome, son of William and Mary. Luckily I found his dad's apprenticeship records as a felt maker which say he was the son of Robert Jerome of a parish on the Staffordshire/Derbyshire border. Parmenas' mother was Mary Mitchell who wed Wm Jerome in 1703. Maybe she had Cornish blood or they just liked the name.

Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #24 on: Monday 26 August 24 10:11 BST (UK) »
I'm still working on finding a Cornish
Connection to a community in Bahamas

I think I need to follow a TREGIDGA line but as there was a single mother in 1899
It will be hard working out which line the birth father was from .

Unusual first names may indeed be a clue
I've come across a Philadelphia
&

Found a child of a slave in 1824 called
Cornwall
It might be helpful that the Bahamas families passed first name down generations in a similar way to Cornish people
So I look out for Perline + Bethal as first names too

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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #25 on: Monday 26 August 24 18:06 BST (UK) »
Keep trying, as we say with genealogy.

as I mentioned, I have my Parmenas Jerome, born London in 1716, and Parmenas is a name found in Cornwall but doing a general search on FindMyPast for the forename Parmenas (not including variants this time) there are quite a few in Cornwall, but also I see some in Essex, Suffolk and Bucks. But many Parmenas' in Devon of course next to Cornwall. I do not count what was then London as it was a city and would be full of people from other parts of the country at the time.
Although the first name Parmenas may have more variants than the surname Talmache.  ;D
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 27 August 24 09:20 BST (UK) »
That's useful coombs I have never done first name only searches

Ruskie

I didn't answer your comment
My friend can't afford to do another test ( I gave him the ancestry one )

Can he upload his ancestry results to LIVING  DNA  is it a company ?

I could try contacting his uncle as an older relative would get better results.

 I'm helping  a couple of African Americans  who are distant matches to find their connection my friend - to the Bahamas .
 The link probably goes back to slave owners.sailors .traders or preachers in the early 1800s

Friend  has recently uploaded to gedmatch . & His kit is being compared with a group of 20 others from their side  of the world
Top   Surnames that are coming up include  :




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