Need help with name please.

[Neale1961]

... and the details?

[Mitche11]

... and the details?

Details? That’s all I have.

[softly softly]

Is this the Stephen you are trying to find.

1881

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Q-2P3D



John

added, all the children from this union have mmn Periera

This is Frances.

TAYLOR, FANNY  ROSANA     PEREIRA 
GRO Reference: 1876  D Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 548

Parents marriage dq 1867 Lambeth

[softly softly]

Thank you everyone for your help but I think I have the wrong Stephen Taylor.
I have found a marriage between a Stephen Taylor and a Martha Morley m 1873 Lewisham, this fits in with a Frances Taylor/Morley born about 1882 I have been researching the only problem is I cannot find any other information so Stephen Taylor and Martha Morley might not be Frances parents. Back to the drawing board.

We are all working in the dark here!

What do you know about Frances, how have you got back to her and where does she fit in with your ancestry.

John

[Neale1961]

This is Frances.

TAYLOR, FANNY  ROSANA     PEREIRA 
GRO Reference: 1876  D Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 548

Parents marriage dq 1867 Lambeth

YEs I agree this would appear to be your Frances TAYLOR, and her parents are as posted previously in this thread.

I have been looking at Frances' family today for you, But have not yet had enough time to complete my investigations. The water is somewhat "muddied" due to children changing their names, but I suspect there may well be an explanation. I will continue to work through it all, when time allows.

In the meantime can you tell me:
1. Do you have a marriage record for Frances TAYLOR to Frank Edwin MARTYN?
If so, please post ALL the details from that certificate.

2. Do you have Frances and her 4 children in the 1921 census?.
Please post ALL the details.

[Mitche11]

This is Frances.

TAYLOR, FANNY  ROSANA     PEREIRA 
GRO Reference: 1876  D Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 548

Parents marriage dq 1867 Lambeth

YEs I agree this would appear to be your Frances TAYLOR, and her parents are as posted previously in this thread.

I have been looking at Frances' family today for you, But have not yet had enough time to complete my investigations. The water is somewhat "muddied" due to children changing their names, but I suspect there may well be an explanation. I will continue to work through it all, when time allows.

In the meantime can you tell me:
1. Do you have a marriage record for Frances TAYLOR to Frank Edwin MARTYN?
If so, please post ALL the details from that certificate.

2. Do you have Frances and her 4 children in the 1921 census?.
Please post ALL the details.

I thought Martha Piereira was Frances mother but after more research I don't believe she is.

See below for all the information I have:

Children of Frances Taylor and Frank Martin Below:

TAYLOR, FRANCES EVELYN (mmn TAYLOR) GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 797 - AKA Frances MORLEY or Evelyn MARTYN or Evelyn MORLEY. I believe Frances Evelyn is not Frank's daughter.

TAYLOR, FRANK EDWIN (mmn MARTIN) GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 407 - AKA Frank Edwin MARTYN or Frank Edwin MORLEY or Frank JOHNSTON MORLEY.

TAYLOR, JEAN MARTIN GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 596 - AKA Jean Martyn or Jean MORLEY.

MARTYN, RONALD DOUGLAS TAYLOR GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 669 - AKA Ronald Douglas MORLEY.

Frances, Frank and Jean were all baptised on 21 Apr 1907 at St Mark, Battersea Rise, Wandsworth, England and were given the surname MARTIN.

Ronald Douglas Martin was baptised on 28 Jul 1912 at St Paul, Brixton, Lambeth, England.

1901 Census living in Lambeth, London, England:
Frances Martyn - 1879 Briston, London, England - Head   
Evelyn Martyn - 1900 Barham, London, England - daughter

1911 Census in Lambeth, Surrey with Frank Martyn, details below:

Frank Martyn - abt 1872 Burgh, Edinburgh, Scotland - Reed Maker - Head
Frances Martyn - abt 1881 London, United Kingdom - Wife. Their is a marriage date of 1897 but I have been unable to find the marriage.
Evelyn Martyn - abt 1900 London, United Kingdom - daughter
Frank Martyn - abt 1902 London, United Kingdom - son
Jean Martyn - abt 1908 London, United Kingdom - daughter

On 7 Feb 1914 Frances and her children Evelyn, Frank, Jean and Ronald are admitted to Renfrew Road Workhouse, Lambeth, Surrey and are discharged on 9 Feb 1914, their surnames are now MORLEY, there is no sign of Frank Edwin Martyn.

On 13 Oct 1923 Frances Taylor otherwise Morley marries Percy Painter (I have the marriage certificate) Frances is 37 years old and a spinster - father Stephen Taylor (deceased) Occupation - Builder.

I have found a marriage for a Stephen Taylor and Martha Morley:
BMD Ref: Sep 1875   
TAYLOR    Stephen        Lewisham    1d   1283   
MORLEY    Martha        Lewisham    1d   1283   

This Stephen Taylor and Martha Morley fits better than Stephen Taylor and Martha Pereira!

[softly softly]

I believe that's the route that Neale and I were both going down. If we take just Frank Edwin Taylor mmn Martin jq 1901.

His school admission record states father Frank, and he has a dob 8th April 1901, as per his baptism record. Does your research show him as Frank MORLEY dob 8th April 1901 in 1939. He would appear to have married a Lily M A Higgs in 1927.

John

[Mitche11]

I believe that's the route that Neale and I were both going down. If we take just Frank Edwin Taylor mmn Martin jq 1901.

His school admission record states father Frank, and he has a dob 8th April 1901, as per his baptism record. Does your research show him as Frank MORLEY dob 8th April 1901 in 1939. He would appear to have married a Lily M A Higgs in 1927.

John

That is correct but it's Frances Taylor born abt 1881, it's her father Stephen Taylor that I am trying to find, everything from 1901 forward I have for Frances Taylor.

[softly softly]

Sorry to ask another question. Did Frances die as Frances Morley in 1951 Croydon. If so this death registration gives a birth year of 1875. Stephen married Martha Morley sq 1875. Wondering if she was this birth ref

MORLEY, FRANCES       - 
GRO Reference: 1875  M Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 152

John