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Re: Need help with name please.
« Reply #90 on: Tuesday 02 May 23 12:32 BST (UK) »
OK, looking at the next Newington religious creed register
In Feb 1929
Percy and Frances Painter
Frances Painter (again)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-CSD2-2

Then Percy comes back in April
and Frances in May
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-CSDK-L

On the second page it says that Frances was discharged to West Park, 25.5.29  :(

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Re: Need help with name please.
« Reply #91 on: Tuesday 02 May 23 15:24 BST (UK) »
OK, looking at the next Newington religious creed register
In Feb 1929
Percy and Frances Painter
Frances Painter (again)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-CSD2-2

Then Percy comes back in April
and Frances in May
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-CSDK-L

On the second page it says that Frances was discharged to West Park, 25.5.29  :(

Thank you so much John, everyones help is very much appreciated.

Frances Taylor/Morley has proven to be very difficult in tracing especially as she has used so many different years for her birth, this women is a real mystery!

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Re: Need help with name please.
« Reply #92 on: Tuesday 02 May 23 19:43 BST (UK) »
In one of Jonwen's links for Frances in the poorhouse it said Frances was a cook.

This should be her in the 1921 then:

84 Ashley Garden S.W.1
Somewhere in the Parish of St George's Hanover Square, St Margaret and St. John

Frances Morley, cook, 38 yrs 7 months, widow, born Brixton, London.

Household members
Thomas Henry Webb, age 32, married, born Yorkshire, a contractor, with his 26 yo wife Lillah, born Scotland, and daughter Lillah Victoria, age 4 1/2, born Yorkshire.
Also a nurse, Constance Morris, with no details, but a note saying " left before age and place of birth could be obtained.

I am enclosing the clip of Frances, as the entire census appears to have been rewritten in a darker pen, and I can't tell if under the dark "widow" for Frances, does it say "single"?
Also including her signature in the hopes it can be compared to the signature on the marriage to Percy Painter.

She was supposed to fill out the column for the ages of children of widowed people, but left hers blank.
Sadly, none of her children are with her, but the 1921 is a bit odd in that respect.  Servants that are at the address on a daily basis could be included, providing they aren't counted elsewhere, such as Frances was, but it does not mean she actually lived there.  Will post the column headers if anyone is confused by that!

Edited slightly for clarity.

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Re: Need help with name please.
« Reply #93 on: Tuesday 02 May 23 20:29 BST (UK) »
Great stuff, bbart.

Just on that school record (one of two) for Frank Martyn that is already known about
Broadwater School, Infants
Frank Martyn, born 8.4.01
Admitted 15 May 1906
Parent Frank
Address 69 Woodbury St
Left 14.9.06 (Removal)

There seems to be one for his sister on the previous page
Eva Martyn, born 7.8.99 (date a week different?)
Admitted 30 April 1906
Parent George (a mistake, or was a man called George her father?)
Address 69 Woodbury St
Left 14.9.06 (Removal)


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Re: Need help with name please.
« Reply #94 on: Tuesday 02 May 23 23:19 BST (UK) »
In one of Jonwen's links for Frances in the poorhouse it said Frances was a cook.

This should be her in the 1921 then:

84 Ashley Garden S.W.1
Somewhere in the Parish of St George's Hanover Square, St Margaret and St. John

Frances Morley, cook, 38 yrs 7 months, widow, born Brixton, London.

Household members
Thomas Henry Webb, age 32, married, born Yorkshire, a contractor, with his 26 yo wife Lillah, born Scotland, and daughter Lillah Victoria, age 4 1/2, born Yorkshire.
Also a nurse, Constance Morris, with no details, but a note saying " left before age and place of birth could be obtained.

I am enclosing the clip of Frances, as the entire census appears to have been rewritten in a darker pen, and I can't tell if under the dark "widow" for Frances, does it say "single"?
Also including her signature in the hopes it can be compared to the signature on the marriage to Percy Painter.

She was supposed to fill out the column for the ages of children of widowed people, but left hers blank.
Sadly, none of her children are with her, but the 1921 is a bit odd in that respect.  Servants that are at the address on a daily basis could be included, providing they aren't counted elsewhere, such as Frances was, but it does not mean she actually lived there.  Will post the column headers if anyone is confused by that!

Edited slightly for clarity.

On the marriage certificate it looks like all the writing is the same even the signatures of Frances, Percy and the witnesses.

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Re: Need help with name please.
« Reply #95 on: Tuesday 02 May 23 23:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for posting the image;  i was really hoping it had the original handwriting. 
However, can you post the exact date of the marriage?

I am still trying to figure out the witness F. J. Morley.
Frank Johnston Morley should be a shoe-in for it, except, depending on the actual marriage date, would have been in prison.  ???

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Re: Need help with name please.
« Reply #96 on: Tuesday 02 May 23 23:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks for posting the image;  i was really hoping it had the original handwriting. 
However, can you post the exact date of the marriage?

I am still trying to figure out the witness F. J. Morley.
Frank Johnston Morley should be a shoe-in for it, except, depending on the actual marriage date, would have been in prison.  ???

The date of marriage was 13 October 1923
F J Morley was convicted on 6 Nov 1923

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« Reply #97 on: Wednesday 03 May 23 00:11 BST (UK) »
Great stuff, bbart.

Just on that school record (one of two) for Frank Martyn that is already known about
Broadwater School, Infants
Frank Martyn, born 8.4.01
Admitted 15 May 1906
Parent Frank
Address 69 Woodbury St
Left 14.9.06 (Removal)

There seems to be one for his sister on the previous page
Eva Martyn, born 7.8.99 (date a week different?)
Admitted 30 April 1906
Parent George (a mistake, or was a man called George her father?)
Address 69 Woodbury St
Left 14.9.06 (Removal)

I have attached Admission on 15 June 1908 Frank Martin to Gideon Road School I cannot make out the address.

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« Reply #98 on: Wednesday 03 May 23 00:20 BST (UK) »
The date of marriage was 13 October 1923
F J Morley was convicted on 6 Nov 1923

Thanks for the date.  He had just gotten out of Wandsworth Prison in May 1922 from a prior 12 month sentence, hence why I was after the date.  :)

As for your address clipping, I keep seeing "Sistern" but I highly doubt that is what it really is.