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Just cant make this out
« on: Wednesday 17 May 23 11:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Rootschatters

I have an exercpt from a  page from the 1841 Surrey Assizes, most of which I can make out apart from the words I have underlined in red

Any help greatly appreciated!
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 11:58 BST (UK) »
The first word looks like "refusing?"
Can you post details so that can check original - nothing like the real thing.

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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 12:03 BST (UK) »
Here is the page - hope it helps

South Shields, London - Stobbs, Winfield
Banham - Limmer
Wilts, S.Wales - Comley
Oxfordshire - Kinch, Gomm, Probbitts

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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 13:14 BST (UK) »
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 13:32 BST (UK) »
refusing the petition on behalf of...?
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 14:09 BST (UK) »
Interesting that you have put "petition" as his wife Charlotte had petitioned for his release on 1st Feb 1841 so if it is petition, then "refusing" wouldnt make sense

As it is on the 1851 census he was in the same jail although he was only sentenced to 6 months ... whether he got out and re-offended is on my to-do list
South Shields, London - Stobbs, Winfield
Banham - Limmer
Wilts, S.Wales - Comley
Oxfordshire - Kinch, Gomm, Probbitts

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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 14:27 BST (UK) »
It makes sense to me as it would appear that the Court is refusing the petition put forward by Charlotte on her husband's behalf.
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 14:30 BST (UK) »
Quote from: emeltom on Wednesday 17 May 23 14:27 BST (UK)
It makes sense to me as it would appear that the Court is refusing the petition put forward by Charlotte on her husband's behalf.

You beat me to it ! Just fathomed that out now

Makes perfect sense as there is another book with the prisoner "outcome" which says "Nil" and that was posted in July 1841

As ever - thanks go out to all of you rootschatters with this query!

Cliff
South Shields, London - Stobbs, Winfield
Banham - Limmer
Wilts, S.Wales - Comley
Oxfordshire - Kinch, Gomm, Probbitts

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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 14:55 BST (UK) »
I understood "Sureties for X months" to mean (a) an alternative to prison or (b) imposed with a prison sentence to ensure good behaviour on release.

David's sentence column shows only "Sureties for 6 months" - no prison sentence. There is an example of prison + sureties above David's entry (sureties recommended to be remitted Feb 1841).

Was Charlotte petitioning for repayment of sureties?

David's with Charlotte on the '41 Census.
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