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Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« on: Sunday 28 May 23 11:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your expert help with some tricky questions! I wonder if you can find the elusive death record of my great-great-grandfather, a Welsh(?) railwayman?
I attach the St Albans marriage record which ‘Rees Lewes’ signed , marrying Sophia Fensom  1837. And the birth record of their second child from Derby, 1839 - Rees’ occupation, ‘Plate Layer’. In the 1841 Census, Sophia, 25, and children had returned to Hertfordshire. No record of marital status, unfortunately. In the 1851 Hemel Hempstead Census, Sophia Lewis is ‘Wid’ – Widow? This may be true...I should add that the poor Lewises have been proved to be untruthful in some later Censuses and Parish Registers! I cannot find a death record clearly linked to my ‘Rees Lewes’ (I have tried all variants I could think of.. Rhys, Lewis etc). I’d be happy to pay the GRO for a death certificate for any likely candidate. A Rees Lewis in 1851 Census, Melbourn, Cambs, is Sophia’s age, Welsh railworker, supposedly unmarried – no definite link. A relative traced 2 sets of later records for similar names in Wales: one had a different marriage signature, one only a Mark... All help much appreciated!


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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 May 23 12:04 BST (UK) »
In 1839-40 the railways were in their infancy. I would be inclined to look at which railway companies were operating in the Derby area at the time of the daughter's birth, then follow the course of the railways built by that company. There's no guarantee that Rees stayed with the same company, of course, or indeed if he remained a railway worker, but you may find that his work took him well away from home hence why Sophia returned to live in her own part of the world in 1841. He could have been living in a temporary camp in 1841 at a new railway construction site, and so got missed off the census. Alternatively, it is highly likely that the census form would have been filled in by someone else and they may have misspelled his name or got other details about him wrong.
On the assumption that Sophia was telling the truth in 1851, there are records of fatalities on the railways, so I would start with the National Archives and then work on to look at the various railway archives which hold a lot of detailed information about the nineteenth century railways.

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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 May 23 12:33 BST (UK) »
It's not Reece Lewis's signature on the marriage Certificate - Certificate filled in by someone else - (Sophia only made a cross on the Birth Certificate of their daughter.)

Name looks like 'Rice' on the Marriage Certificate.

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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 May 23 12:49 BST (UK) »
It's not Reece Lewis's signature on the marriage Certificate - Certificate filled in by someone else - (Sophia only made a cross on the Birth Certificate of their daughter.)

Name looks like 'Rice' on the Marriage Certificate.


The marriage certificate does appear to have been signed  I think it looks like 'Rees Lewes'
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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 May 23 13:41 BST (UK) »
It's not Reece Lewis's signature on the marriage Certificate - Certificate filled in by someone else - (Sophia only made a cross on the Birth Certificate of their daughter.)

Name looks like 'Rice' on the Marriage Certificate.


The marriage certificate does appear to have been signed  I think it looks like 'Rees Lewes'

I agree with Rosie. It looks like Rees Lewes to me.   Also Lewes is how many Welsh people would pronounce Lewis
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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 May 23 16:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much to everyone for replying so quickly and thoughtfully! I am writing a (non-fiction)prose book in which the young Rees' disappearance from his wife's life is a key moment, as it led to three generations of struggling women, whose experiences still haunt our family...  Andy, I am very grateful for your expertise and detailed reply. I will follow all your suggestions carefully. The National Archives link is invaluable. I had been wondering if there were lists of fatalities. I entirely agree that, even if Rees did die by 1851, he may have been alive in 1841 when Sophia had returned to to a cottage near Boxmoor.                    Thank you very much to zetlander, rosie 99 and Gadget for poring over the documents, an even harder task since I had to use my phone camera to reduce the file size.   It is most helpful to have experienced researchers' views on Rees' name in this particular marriage record. It is the only possible example of his handwriting which I have found.And how helpful of Gadget to point out that Lewes is a phonetic reproduction of Welsh pronunciation! I am doing my best to capture any snatches of my ancestors' voices for my book. Sophia's older child, for example was registered as born on what is now 'Rough Down Common',near Boxmoor - but which was then written as 'Row Down' - a local pronunciation. Very glad to catch another echo from the past... Many thanks to you all for your help!

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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 May 23 19:12 BST (UK) »
Arbella,

Just to get you off in the right direction metaphorically speaking, take a look at these three Wikipedia articles on railway companies which were based in Derby. As you will see each has an extensive list of references which I'm sure will tell you all you need to know about the development of the three companies before they amalgamated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Midland_Railway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland_Counties_Railway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_and_Derby_Junction_Railway

They weren't the only railway companies in the area, but they seem like a good place to start. In my experience there are a lot of records of railway employees still available today, although the chances of finding records of him will depend on whether your man was a casual labourer rather than a company man. This was really too early for there to be any trade union records.

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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 29 May 23 17:09 BST (UK) »
This is just a quick note to thank Andy J2022 very much for the most helpful links to the railway companies. I have saved them all carefully to my own computer! I was hoping to start research today, but had to finish a complicated section of writing. During this, I did establish one minor point about literacy in the Lewises. Rees Lewes, the railwayman, could at least sign his name in 1837 (unlike a Lincolnshire shepherd ancestor of mine in the same period)! I am impressed by this. (There is of course an fascinating later tradition of skilled Welsh railway workers in England. The grandfather of the poet Edward Thomas was a railway fitter living in the railway quarter in Swindon...) Sophia, Rees Lewes' wife, could not write. But although her two elder children were reared in a period before a national system of education, while Sophia, as a single mother, was working, either as a Straw Plaiter or a paid 'Housekeeper', both her children were taught at least to write their names. This, too, I think is impressive. I was checking the evidence and noted that Rees' daughter, my ancestor, signed a death certificate with a cross, although she had managed a slightly botched signature in the Parish register for her wedding. just a few months earlier. I've noticed this tendency elsewhere amongst working-class, early Victorian women. It is impossible to know if they found writing too difficult when upset and facing a Registrar, or whether the Registrar assumed that they couldn't write... But I am glad to see that Rees' rather unusual literacy (of some kind) did continue! The next generation, of course, had schools available...                 I look forward now to going back and trying to establish what happened to 'Rees Lewes' in the early English railway industry. I will report any significant findings... Meanwhile, thank you again!

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Re: Did a young Welsh railwayman die?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 29 May 23 21:23 BST (UK) »
Arbella
Before diving straight into your research into railway accidents, you might find this presentation by a member of TNA's staff helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_WXwBpjSwU.
It explains the best places to search for the relevant records depending on the different periods of the history of the railways. Towards the end of the video he mentions a project being run in conjunction with the University of Portsmouth entitled Railway Work, Life and Death. You can ignore that site as it only contains details of accidents after 1900.