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Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Monday 29 May 23 23:49 BST (UK) »
I have a 3GG, William Stevens, ironstone miner, that moved from Redruth, Cornwall to Scotland, moving about in the Ayrshire and Dunbartonshire area (Kilmarnock, New Kilpatrick, Dalry) before 1853 when he married.

1) Would a move from Cornwall to Scotland be considered an emigration, or simply a move?

2) Would most likely have traveled over land or by sea?

Iím basically wondering if there are any records of the move, and if I can determine when the move was made.

Thank you!
Momís side: Harris, Stevens, Fairlie, Clark, McFarlane, Menzies, Munro, Donald, Brown
Dadís side: Farace, Ferraro, Ferrara, Bonito

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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 04:47 BST (UK) »
Cornwall and Scotland are all in the same country ie the UK. So this was not a migration. Think of moving from one US state to another.

No migration records exist for a move within the UK.

Your ancestor probably moved by sea. There were frequent coastal journeys at that time up and down the UK and they were not expensive for passengers. Plymouth Ė Liverpool Ė Glasgow or Plymouth - Dublin Ė Glasgow are possible routes.The railway reached Redruth in 1852 but didn't run through to London or further afield till 1859, so that doesnít appear to have been an option.
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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 10:19 BST (UK) »
Have you searched for him on the 1851 census?

Did he have children born in Scotland as you could narrow down when he moved North by those.

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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 10:22 BST (UK) »
Associated link previously posted.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=873279.0

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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 10:26 BST (UK) »
When William died in Dalry (Ayr) in 1883 aged 48 his mmn given as Langdon.

John

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William Stevens married Elizabeth Menzies/Mennies 1853 Kilmarnock.

Possible 1851 census ref 1915 11 15

If this is him in Redruth then any possible move between census date and marriage 4.7.1853



The death certificate of William Stevens in 1883 records his parents as George Stevens & Honor Langdon.

1841 census shows William aged 14  with parents George and Honor + siblings. William occ Mason
1851 *******
1861 census scotland aged 35
1871 census scotland aged 44
1881 census scotland aged 55

His death age should be around 57/58 not 48.


George Stevens and Honor Langdon marries 20.4.1814 Illogan, Cornwall

Any move to Scotland was then between 1841-1853


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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 16:14 BST (UK) »
John, can I presume you located the 1841 census and George/Honor marriage record on Ancestry? I have tried finding a way to search those records from home (I run up to our town library in order to use Ancestry), and thought I found some sources of Cornish data but I didn’t find those. I will head to the library to retrieve those records.

Also, I should have noticed the discrepancy in age given on William’s death record and that which simple math would have told me!

Re: Scotland and England being in the same country, I know some Scots that would skin me for saying that while singing “Flower of Scotland.” Scotland, England, and Wales are all separate countries comprising Great Britain, and together with Northern Ireland are the United Kingdom, which I’ve just learned is considered a “sovereign country,” and therefore there are countries within countries. Being separate but part of the whole UK, I had no idea whether there were emigration requirements or recording.

Thank you all!
Momís side: Harris, Stevens, Fairlie, Clark, McFarlane, Menzies, Munro, Donald, Brown
Dadís side: Farace, Ferraro, Ferrara, Bonito

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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 16:30 BST (UK) »
Cornish Births, Deaths, Marriages on line

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
These are transcripts only. Vary search with Honour as well as Honor and Stephens as well as Stevens.

Good luck
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -† Price
Abergwynfi -† Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -† Lewis.

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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 16:46 BST (UK) »
To give you an idea about the length of the journey.

Somewhere in my files, I have a 19th century advert by a sailing ship's owner.   The journey from Aberdeen to London was six hours by sea.  The North Sea down the east coast of the UK is quite a treacherous ocean.   

From Glasgow through the Irish Sea down to Cornwall could probably take the same amount of time or a bit longer with a fair wind.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 17:02 BST (UK) »
For future reference, a  little extra information regarding the UK. Prior to  partition in 1921 the whole of Ireland was a part of the UK.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,† Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.