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Brickwall - Hannah Jane TUHEY, b cir 1836 Bermondsey
« on: Friday 16 June 23 01:35 BST (UK) »
Looking for help.
My Subject is my 2nd great-grandmother. She has been a brick wall since 1981
Hannah Jane Tuhey.
Born about 1836 in Bermondsey, London.
1841 Census
Mary Lahey   30 Washerwoman born in Ireland
Catherine Lahey   7
Hannah Lahey   6
James Lahey   4
John Lahey   2
30 April 1854 - St James, Bermondsey, James Joseph Johnson, full age, bachelor, Leather Dresser.  Father:  Stephen, Leather Dresser
Hannah Jane Tuhey, full age, spinster.  Father:  Jeremiah (dead)
This is about it as far as confirmed information goes.
I believe her mother may have been born in Cork?
I do have her Brother James in the 71, 81, and 91 all with the surname Tuhey.
I have tried many times with different posts here but they have all led to nothing.
I have Findmypast and the trees on there stop with Hannah Jane
Hope you can help
Carol
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Stonehouse(York,Durham,Canada)Laurie(Scotland,York)Biddiss(All)Love(Scotland,Australia) Byers(Durham)Demaine(York)Dennison(York)Raine(Durham)Jefferson(Durham)Muir(Durham)
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Stonehouse(York,Durham,Canada)Laurie(Scotland,York)Biddiss(All)Love(Scotland,Australia) Byers(Durham)Demaine(York)Dennison(York)Raine(Durham)Jefferson(Durham)Muir(Durham)
Johnston (Scotland)Hunter(Scotland)Johnson(York)
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Re: Brickwall - Hannah Jane TUHEY, b cir 1836 Bermondsey
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 June 23 01:46 BST (UK) »
There is a Jermiah Tura in the 1841 Census who resided in Bermondsey:

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01se3/

There also is a Hannah Lahey along with her family in the 1841 Census:

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01se4/

Both reside in St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan

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Re: Brickwall - Hannah Jane TUHEY, b cir 1836 Bermondsey
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 June 23 01:53 BST (UK) »
I have the 1841 census in my first post
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Stonehouse(York,Durham,Canada)Laurie(Scotland,York)Biddiss(All)Love(Scotland,Australia) Byers(Durham)Demaine(York)Dennison(York)Raine(Durham)Jefferson(Durham)Muir(Durham)
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Re: Brickwall - Hannah Jane TUHEY, b cir 1836 Bermondsey
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 June 23 02:56 BST (UK) »
On the 1861 Census, Hannah Lahey is listed as Johnson. There is a brother-in-law to her husband, James Johnson called John Tweedy:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-BBSK

This would be Hannah’s Brother but instead of Tuhey, it is Tweedy.
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan

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Re: Brickwall - Hannah Jane TUHEY, b cir 1836 Bermondsey
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 June 23 05:54 BST (UK) »
I have all this information down to the present day. I need to go backward and prove Hannahs's parents.
None of her siblings have a son called Jeremiah but lots of Mary's including my mother's middle name.
Thank you for your help.
Carol
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Stonehouse(York,Durham,Canada)Laurie(Scotland,York)Biddiss(All)Love(Scotland,Australia) Byers(Durham)Demaine(York)Dennison(York)Raine(Durham)Jefferson(Durham)Muir(Durham)
Johnston (Scotland)Hunter(Scotland)Johnson(York)
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Re: Brickwall - Hannah Jane TUHEY, b cir 1836 Bermondsey
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 June 23 05:56 BST (UK) »
*Jeremiah & Mary were Irish.

The reason you cannot find them anywhere is because Bermondsey’s Parish registers are not digitized yet. Don’t be confused with the other Bermondsey in London.
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 June 23 06:07 BST (UK) »
I have seen a tree with Mary born in 1801 Cork but no actual date or even her maiden name.

I tried searching for marriage in Cork but could not find anything. They could have married in Bermondsey.
This is my brick wall. My family does not know we have Irish ancestors and I would love to show them our Irish Roots.

Carol
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Stonehouse(York,Durham,Canada)Laurie(Scotland,York)Biddiss(All)Love(Scotland,Australia) Byers(Durham)Demaine(York)Dennison(York)Raine(Durham)Jefferson(Durham)Muir(Durham)
Johnston (Scotland)Hunter(Scotland)Johnson(York)
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Re: Brickwall - Hannah Jane TUHEY, b cir 1836 Bermondsey
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 June 23 06:11 BST (UK) »
I have seen a tree with Mary born in 1801 Cork but no actual date or even her maiden name.

I tried searching for marriage in Cork but could not find anything. They could have married in Bermondsey.
This is my brick wall. My family does not know we have Irish ancestors and I would love to show them our Irish Roots.

Carol

I did some research and found John Tuhey in court:

“JOHN TUHEY . I am a builder, at Willow-walk, Bermondsey—I know the prisoner well, he is a baker, and supplied me with bread—I have occationally lent him money—I paid him what I owed him, and discounted two or three bills for him—I have known him for years—I have occasionally lent him a trifle—at the latter end of May he came to me and said he was very short of flour, and I knew he was rather poor in circumstances at the time, and he asked me whether I could change a bill for him, or get it done—I said, "What sort of a bill is it?"—he said, "If I get my brother-in-law, Henry Ashley, to draw a bill on Abraham Fuller, will you give me the money for it, or get it?"—I said I would—I knew Henry Ashley—he is not a person to whom I would give credit, and the prisoner knew that as well as I did—I know Abraham Fuller; I would give credit to him—I have known his father for years to be a respectable upright man, and I know the young man to be a respectable man—the bill was to be on Abraham Fuller, junior, the son—I afterwards saw the prisoner again by appointment at the Greyhound at Kennington—he then produced this bill (produced)—it is drawn by Fuller on Ashley.”

A couple pages late:

“Cross-examined. Q. Do you know Ashley, the acceptor? A. Yes; at far as I can say, I should say this is his acceptance—he was a baker, and carried on business at 10, Dorset-street—I always understood the prisoner to be in his service—I cannot say what salary he had—Ashley's name was over the shop—I did not know Mr. Tuhey until some time after this transaction—I did not know him before—I knew him by his being a builder, but I had never spoken to him that I know of—Ashley absconded somewhere about Oct., I think—he is a relation of mine, the prisoner married Ashley's sister, and he is uncle, by marriage, to me—he married my mother's sister, and she was sister to Ashley—to the best of my recollection it was in Oct. or Nov. lost that Mr. Tuhey first spoke to me about this bill—I then gave him my address—the reason I know it was not before Oct., is because I did not go into the house in which I now reside until 1st Oct.—it certainly was not before Oct.—I do not recollect Ashley or the prisoner applying to me for permission to use my name to a bill of exchange—Ashley has asked me on different occasions, and stated that he was in difficult circumstances, and he might have mentioned it—I could not swear that he has not—as to conversations that took place more than twelve months ago, I could not undertake to say one way or the other—there were conversations on the state of his affairs altogether—I will not swear that I did not give Ashley permission to put my name to a bill of exchange for 25l., and I will not swear that I did”

Source - https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/print.jsp?div=t18490611

This matches Hannah’s Brother John; In the 1861 census, he was resided at Willow Walk.
- Kiernan from County Meath
- Kelly from County Kildare
- Donnelly from County Tyrone
- McKenna from County Tyrone/Moghanan