Opening the Doar

[Jason Jase]

I am trying to find out if my 2nd great grand mother had a earlier wife than the one I am related to.

2nd great grandmother
Thomas Doar
1846–1905
BIRTH 4 JUN 1846 • Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
DEATH 14 FEB 1905 • Basford, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England
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His parents where
Samuel Doar
1821–1898
BIRTH 25 MAR 1821 • Sandiacre, Derbyshire, England
DEATH MAR 1898 • Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

and

Ann Crooks
1825–1851
BIRTH 30 DEC 1825 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
DEATH 15 OCT 1851 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
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1851 census Household schedule number   141 (name mis-transcribed Shomas Rather than Thomas)
Piece   2126
Folio   277
Page number 37

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1861 census would like to find???
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1871 census??? would like to find???
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I think this one
1881?? Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel   13
Piece   3326
Folio   83
Page number   24
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1891 (mistranscribed last name Dom rather than DOAR
Sub registration district   Ilkeston
ED, Institution or Vessel   12
Neighbours   View others on page
Piece   2665
Folio   46

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1901 census
Piece   3151
Folio   104
Page number   36
Household schedule number   205
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I have Thomas Doar (snr) married Lucy 23 Jul 1882
many people have Thomas Doar having Children before his marriage to Lucy

maybe
William Doar ?
1863–
BIRTH 1863 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
DEATH Unknown

the 1901 census
States he has a Daughter
Mary Ann Doar ?
BIRTH 1872 • West Hallam, Derbyshire, England
DEATH JAN 1941 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England

who married
John Starbuck (or Starbrook ?)
BIRTH 1868 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England

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***I want to know who Thomas Doar's first wife and mother to Mary and William was???
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I can't figure out from the census if it is Starbuck or Starbrook and can't find them in the BDM)
but they had
6 kids none of which I can find spouses or any further information on??? (all of them are listed on the same 1901 census with Thomas Doar.

Thanks

[Kay99]

Is this the family in 1871??  Living in Ilkeston, Derbyshire,

Samuel Doar   49  Platelayer
Matilda Doar   29 wife
Thomas Doar   23  Son b Ilkeston  Unmarried
Mary A Doar   10
William Doar   8
Elizabeth Doar   6
Louisa Doar   3
Adela Doar   1

[Kay99]

Altthough Mary Ann Starbrook is listed as Thomas's daughter in 1901 her children have their mother's maiden name as Lee as below

STARBROOK, LEONARD        mothers maiden name LEE     
GRO Reference: 1900  J Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 203
 
And there is a marriage below ??

Mary Ann Lee
Marriage Age   18
Marriage Date   13 Oct 1888
Marriage Place   Ilkeston, St Mary, Derbyshire, England
Father   Joseph Lee - Miner
Spouse   John Starbrook  - Miner - Illegimate
    

[heywood]

Samuel Doar married Matilda Potter in 1860
1861 2437 /48/39

*ancestry have them transcrivpbed as Freeman but that is the family above. They are clearly Doar.
Thomas Doar 14 yrs b Ilkeston

Kay has posted 1871 details

You have posted this reference which you think may be him

1881 3326 /83/24

Thomas Doar, 33 yrs Coal Miner b Ilkeston
His status looks like ‘Widr’ . It doesn’t look like ‘Mar’ or ‘Unm’.

His marriage to Lucy would show his status.

[heywood]

maybe
William Doar ?
1863–
BIRTH 1863 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
DEATH Unknown

Birth William Doar 1863 mmn Potter which would make him the son of Samuel and Matilda.

[Kay99]

There is a possible earlier marriage below with two other persons listed

Marriages Dec 1877   
DORE    Thomas        Basford    7b   244    
Rigley    Martha         Basford    7b   244   

and possible birth of a daughter and deaths  of Martha and their child

Birth
DOAR , ELIZA  ANN      RIGLEY     
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 138
   
Deaths
   
DOAR, ELIZA  ANN      0 
GRO Reference  1879  M Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 96
DOAR, MARTHA        20 
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 80

[heywood]

Yes - that's the one Kay 

25th December 1877 St Mary, Ilkeston
Thomas Dore - father Samuel Dore
Martha Rigley - father George

I wasn’t looking at ‘Dore’ 

[Kay99]

Excellant - I looked at maiden names on births and ended up just searching on the mothers maiden name

Kay

[Jason Jase]

thank you all very much for your help, I am in progress of making the changes to my tree. I have a few more issues with this part of my tree which I haven't figured out but I am happy to make progress