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DNA: how far back?
« on: Tuesday 04 July 23 09:00 BST (UK) »
My DNA results are on MyHeritage, gedmatch, ancestry, LivingDNA and FamilyTreeDNA. The 'brick walls' I have encountered in researching backwards in time are:
YOUNG, John
   Milton Clevedon, 1747, 1787: married (Ann Gane) and buried
GAMESON/GAMSON, John
   son John born to John and Mary, Llangattock, 1802
CRAMOND, James
   birth of son Alexander, Auchterhouse, 1787.
My question is: does DNA give helpful matches that far back in time? No one seems to have penetrated further by other means.
Young, Gameson, Miles, Williamson, Cramond

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Re: DNA: how far back?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 10:25 BST (UK) »
DNA shows matches to people currently alive, or who were alive at the time they took a test (apart from very rare cases of DNA having been extracted from remains or artefacts).

It is the research to the link between you and the match (your most recent common ancestors - MRCAs) that determines how far back in time that match "reaches".

How far back you can establish MRCAs is dependent on many variables, including the validity of your research and the strength of the match between you. But it is generally accepted that autosomal DNA will only find matches who share a link with you back to a maximum of about 6 to 8 generations, although often less because, whilst you can expect to find a match to 90% or more of your third cousins or closer relatives, at a distance of 5th cousin (6 generations) you can only expect about 5 to 10% of them to share a DNA match with you.

I have a handful of 6th and 7th cousin matches, one of which takes me back to my 5x GGF 1711-1758. The match to my 6C1R is only 12 cM, which in isolation is not really sufficient to confirm a genuine match, as there is a increased possibility of false matches at that length and lower. But my brother and two other cousins also share that match, albeit at similar or slightly lower match lengths, so I am fairly confident that it is more than just "noise". But the depth and breadth of my tree - i.e. the paper and record based research, allowed me to confirm the relationships between all our matches through historic records.

But DNA alone doesn't prove anything other than that you share a match with another individual who has taken a test. It is the traditional research that you have done or can complete to establish the proven link between you and that match, for which DNA is another piece of corroboration that might prove or add weight to the assertion that your research is correct.

Y-DNA and mt-DNA can take you further back along your father or mother's direct male or female line respectively, but again it is the traditional research that will establish the links between you and any match to a particular ancestor. The DNA match just provides further corroboration of that link.
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Re: DNA: how far back?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 11:01 BST (UK) »
My highest 6C match is 21cM, but there is a cousin marriage in that line so that would enhance the match level. I have several matches in the 9 - 12 cM range where the paper trail appears to show them as 6C or half 6C. As my family at that time on almost every branch came from small rural communities, I have several people who I match in more than one way, so if the match is a single segment I don't know which line that came from.
I think realistically 6th cousin is about as far as I can go back (sharing 5 x g-g parents). For me that is to ancestors born in the first quarter of the 18th century because I'm in my 70s.  If I was 20, my 5 x ggp would probably be born in the last quarter of the 18th Century. Although my parents never did a test, each has a 1st cousin (born in the mid 1930s) who has tested with Ancestry, if they have 6C matches, they would share ancestors probably born at the end of the 17th century.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott