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Offline Jon_ni

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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 19 July 23 17:29 BST (UK) »
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Edit: Done. I've now got a perfect template and can insert the B&W GRO scrap with the correct colour into the template and add the text in a few minutes. Looks as good as a GRO original. Really pleased with the result.

Manipulating blank or completed certs with the Royal Arms, serial number and words Certified Copy, inserting details and sharing without extra annotation that they are a forgery could be muddy water.

https://cdn.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/reproduction-of-birth-death-marriage-certificates.pdf

Are the PDFs subject to any copyright?
They are covered by Crown Copyright and whilst it is an offence to make a copy of a certificate and pass it off as the original certificate you are welcome to copy, publish or use the information they contain including in the form of a PDF.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/CG5.pdf

Bottom of every Cert: "Caution: there are offences relating to falsifying or altering a certificate and using or possessing a false certificate. Crown Copyright."

Creating a template with Registration District, Sub-District, County & year plus column headers and pasting the image below so has effectively the content of their pdf service images can't see being a problem to them.

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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 19 July 23 18:58 BST (UK) »
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Edit: Done. I've now got a perfect template and can insert the B&W GRO scrap with the correct colour into the template and add the text in a few minutes. Looks as good as a GRO original. Really pleased with the result.

Manipulating blank or completed certs with the Royal Arms, serial number and words Certified Copy, inserting details and sharing without extra annotation that they are a forgery could be muddy water.

https://cdn.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/reproduction-of-birth-death-marriage-certificates.pdf

Are the PDFs subject to any copyright?
They are covered by Crown Copyright and whilst it is an offence to make a copy of a certificate and pass it off as the original certificate you are welcome to copy, publish or use the information they contain including in the form of a PDF.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/CG5.pdf

I definitely wouldnít advocate sharing, passing them off as official copies or including serial numbers. Removal of official wording and the seal from any templates is a good idea too.

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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #47 on: Monday 24 July 23 11:14 BST (UK) »
Well, this is a game-changer.  Trouble is it's addictive and those £2.50s are mounting up!  ;D
But it's satisfying to solve some of those uncertainties.
I wish they took Paypal though, it would be quicker than repeatedly entering credit card details.
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« Reply #48 on: Monday 24 July 23 13:25 BST (UK) »
Well, this is a game-changer.  Trouble is it's addictive and those £2.50s are mounting up!  ;D
But it's satisfying to solve some of those uncertainties.
I wish they took Paypal though, it would be quicker than repeatedly entering credit card details.

Yes it has certainly got me going again; I'm willing to take a risk on a common name at £2.50, but not so much any more at £11 after several failures in the past for one person; I got her on the second hit at £2.50 this time though.

I Agree it's a pain entering CC details for every one though. Why no basket option?

Edit: I've just realised that there is an option to add more before paying.  ::)

Maybe there could be an option to save CC details so that only the security code has to be entered every time.


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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #49 on: Monday 24 July 23 20:30 BST (UK) »
I Agree it's a pain entering CC details for every one though. Why no basket option?
Edit: I've just realised that there is an option to add more before paying.  ::)

Yes, there is. But sometimes you need to do them one at a time, because you need to see what each one says before proceeding.

Maybe there could be an option to save CC details so that only the security code has to be entered every time.

My browser offers that option, but I don't want it saving card details in case the device falls into the wrong hands.
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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 16:30 BST (UK) »
Just had a first failure after about a dozen successes so far, what the system has done is combined the bottom half of the entry above my request, and the top half of my requested entry. 

Iíve reported it using their problem page, will let you know how long it takes to fix. I wonder if the same glitch will have affected all the entries on the same page. 

Or will they just refund me and suggest buying the pdf instead?

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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 16:49 BST (UK) »
Just had a first failure after about a dozen successes so far, what the system has done is combined the bottom half of the entry above my request, and the top half of my requested entry. 

Iíve reported it using their problem page, will let you know how long it takes to fix. I wonder if the same glitch will have affected all the entries on the same page. 

Or will they just refund me and suggest buying the pdf instead?

Paul

I've had several with varying degrees of offset across the whole record and some where the image is skewed, which probably affects the whole page of records. Some have parts of words missing at the top or bottom, but one has the whole bottom row of text missing and although I can work out what should be there, it's still not ideal.

I very much doubt they will fix it as I believe this will affect a large enough percentage of records to not make it worth their while fixing individually, but a refund is quite likely. Whether a PDF would be any better is another matter; do they do them by hand or just use the same images that we see and transpose them on a template?

Please report back and let us known what they say.

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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 16:51 BST (UK) »
I Agree it's a pain entering CC details for every one though. Why no basket option?
Edit: I've just realised that there is an option to add more before paying.  ::)

Yes, there is. But sometimes you need to do them one at a time, because you need to see what each one says before proceeding.

Maybe there could be an option to save CC details so that only the security code has to be entered every time.

My browser offers that option, but I don't want it saving card details in case the device falls into the wrong hands.

I don't let browsers save credit cards either, but I do save them in a secure password manager.

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Re: GRO digital images
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 16:54 BST (UK) »
Just had a first failure after about a dozen successes so far, what the system has done is combined the bottom half of the entry above my request, and the top half of my requested entry. 

Iíve reported it using their problem page, will let you know how long it takes to fix. I wonder if the same glitch will have affected all the entries on the same page. 

Or will they just refund me and suggest buying the pdf instead?

Paul

I've had several with varying degrees of offset across the whole record and some where the image is skewed, which probably affects the whole page of records. Some have parts of words missing at the top or bottom, but one has the whole bottom row of text missing and although I can work out what should be there, it's still not ideal.

I very much doubt they will fix it as I believe this will affect a large enough percentage of records to not make it worth their while fixing individually, but a refund is quite likely. Whether a PDF would be any better is another matter; do they do them by hand or just use the same images that we see and transpose them on a template?

Please report back and let us known what they say.

Iíve quite a few pdfs which would have probably been skewed, but theyíve extended the image up and/or down as necessary to catch the whole entry, so I assume what the £7.50 gets you is an element of manual adjustment as well as the cut and paste of the header.