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Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« on: Thursday 13 July 23 20:02 BST (UK) »
I’d be grateful for a translation of an annotation on a baptism of 1906. It seems to be dated 1929. Hopefully it is legible.

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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 July 23 20:32 BST (UK) »
The person who was baptized married someone 1 April 1929.
Eccl etc = Church of St Mary of [something] comi... might be city or locale. Could be in Leicester  - is that a place in Ireland or the UK?
Name of the other person cd be Thomas Lea  ??

The details are hard to read, but the priest made a notation of the person's later marriage. I've seen this before. I'd guess it was because he was asked to send a record of the person's baptism to the other church so they would be qualified to be married as a Catholic.

edit: scratch the "comitian ... ap... " part. I have no idea.  It is probably boilerplate, so someone else might be able to fill it in.

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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 July 23 20:36 BST (UK) »
Our Lady of Good Counsel
found in a wikipedia article Roman Catholic Churches of Leicester. 
"apud" is Latin for "at" so St Mary of Good Counsel at Leicester.
"cum" is "with"  so they were 'united in matrimony' [or some such]  with ...
I cant figure out the "canti"

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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 July 23 20:44 BST (UK) »
Lea    Thomas    Moore    Birkenhead    8a   1050   
Lea    Thomas    Wilson    Prescot    8b   1215   
Lea    Thomas    Lambert    Liverpool    8b   342   
Lea    Thomas O C    Booth    Oswestry    6a   1517   

any of those spouse's names look familiar? this was for marriages in 1929 for a Thomas Lea, at freebmd. None look to be near Leicester, to this American's eyes, though.

Try Thomas Lee. they didn't come up when looking for Lee and there are a lot of them. Should be Apr-Jun quarter for registration, which wd narrow them down.


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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 July 23 21:42 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for your help. The place is Leicester. I think that the Thomas is simply a red herring, because it looks as though the marriage in 1929 was to Edward Lea, not Thomas, though Thomas was the name of Edward’s father. I’ll try and find more about the church.

Dave :)

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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 July 23 22:56 BST (UK) »
Canon law 1122
A marriage which has been contracted is to be recorded also in the baptismal registers in which the baptism of the spouses was entered.

If a spouse contracted marriage elsewhere than in the parish of baptism, the parish priest of the place of celebration is to send a notification of the marriage as soon as possible to the parish priest of the place of baptism.

Think it was introduced about 1900.

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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 July 23 00:14 BST (UK) »
To my eyes the name looks more like Law on the rest of the document that seems to mention William Law and Ethel Winterton.

Is the entry about Thomas  Lea about another entry on the page and has slipped down because the priest has run out of room? 

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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 July 23 06:46 BST (UK) »
Canon law 1122
A marriage which has been contracted is to be recorded also in the baptismal registers in which the baptism of the spouses was entered.

If a spouse contracted marriage elsewhere than in the parish of baptism, the parish priest of the place of celebration is to send a notification of the marriage as soon as possible to the parish priest of the place of baptism.

Think it was introduced about 1900.

Thank you for this information. It’s a pity that the C of E didn’t use the same procedure.

Dave :)

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Re: Latin annotation on 1906 RC baptism
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 July 23 06:57 BST (UK) »
To my eyes the name looks more like Law on the rest of the document that seems to mention William Law and Ethel Winterton.

Is the entry about Thomas  Lea about another entry on the page and has slipped down because the priest has run out of room?

The Latin annotation here is added to the baptism entry of Edith Ethelreda Richmond, Leicester, 1906. She married Edward Lea in Leicester in 1929 (as per annotation, except that it mistakenly gives his name as Thomas Lea, which - coincidentally? - was the name Edward’s father. (Or maybe the document from which this annotation was produced named Thomas as father, and the wrong name was copied down?)

The names on the baptism, William Law and Ethel Winterton, are probably the names of Ethel Richmond’s godparents, who I think are normally named on R.C. baptism records.

Dave :)

Added: just checked the baptism and Googled, and those names (“patrinus fuit” and “matrina fuit”) are definitely godparents. Also Ethel’s mother was Rose “olim”  or formerly, Law. So William Law must have been related to Ethel’s mother.