Peter WILLIAMS of Lansallos

[HistoricalGenealogy]

I am currently working on my friend's family tree. As the title suggests, I am looking for the parents of Peter Williams; But he is a total brickwall.

He was born born around the 1780s most likely in Cornwall, England. He married Ann Phillips on December 9th, 1797 in the parish of Lanviet, Cornwall, England after 3 banns.

Banns
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01six/

Official Marriage
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01siy/

It lists Peter Williams of the parish of Lansallos.

He then went to have 4 sons:

John Williams (born in 1801)
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sit/

Samuel Williams (born 1803)
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01siu/

Peter Williams (born 1807)
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01siv/

Richard Williams (born 1811)
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01siw/

All the children are sons and were all baptized in the Parish of Lansallos.

I have no idea what happened to them after their last son, Richard was born.

*please do not research Ann Phillips's baptism record or parents as I already have it.

Thanks in advance.

[rosie99]

Duplicate post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=874770.

[osprey]

possible burial for youngest son
Duloe 15 Nov 1835 Richard Williams 24
possible for Peter
Duloe 15 Nov 1836 Peter Williams 70
no will showing on opc index
Duloe 6 June 1848 Ann Williams 70 Herodsfoot
1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQB7-7QS

Also a possible earlier baptism in Lanreath
4 Nov 1798 Mary daughter of Peter & Ann Williams of Duloe

Son Peter is in Pelynt for 1841, 51 & 61 census and then in 1871 in Duloe
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJH-MM9

 

(replied on both threads)

[teragram31510]

He was born born around the 1780s most likely in Cornwall, England. He married Ann Phillips on December 9th, 1797 in the parish of Lanviet, Cornwall, England after 3 banns.

If the burial record of 1836 saying he was 70 years old on death is for the correct Peter he was born much earlier than the OP stated, i.e. 1766.
There are 3 Peter Williams baptised in Cornwall in 1766 (acc. to FreeReg - haven't looked anywhere else). Have these three been discounted?

Peter was living in Lansallos when he married  (if the one who died in 1836, he was already 31 years old) ...that doesn't mean he was born there; he may have gone there for work.

[HistoricalGenealogy]

possible burial for youngest son
Duloe 15 Nov 1835 Richard Williams 24
possible for Peter
Duloe 15 Nov 1836 Peter Williams 70
no will showing on opc index
Duloe 6 June 1848 Ann Williams 70 Herodsfoot
1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQB7-7QS

Also a possible earlier baptism in Lanreath
4 Nov 1798 Mary daughter of Peter & Ann Williams of Duloe

Son Peter is in Pelynt for 1841, 51 & 61 census and then in 1871 in Duloe
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJH-MM9

 

(replied on both threads)

Sadly, I don't think that is Ann or either Peter. Ann was born in 1784 in Lanviet, not Herodsfoot, and 70 would be too old as that meant she was born in 1778, which is 6 year difference.

This is her birth:

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1463100

[Little Nell]

I acknowledge that you have asked for us not to research Ann Phillips baptism etc, but if trying to find death/burial records for her, her age is quite important.

Apologies if I have missed something in the various threads on the same or similar family, but what is your evidence that Ann Phillips was born in 1784 in Lanivet?  Or is it the best working hypothesis at the moment?

Personally, I would be unconvinced since she would only have been 13 when she married in 1797.  Equally I would put Peter's birth date as late 1770s if not before. While it was legal for girls to marry at 12 and boys at 14, I have rarely found it to actually occur.

It may well be that both Peter and Ann died before the 1841 census, which does not make things easy.
 
The 1848 burial record of Ann Williams indicates that she lived at Herodsfoot when she died, not that she was born there, so maybe keep this one in mind.

Nell

[HistoricalGenealogy]

possible burial for youngest son
Duloe 15 Nov 1835 Richard Williams 24
possible for Peter
Duloe 15 Nov 1836 Peter Williams 70
no will showing on opc index
Duloe 6 June 1848 Ann Williams 70 Herodsfoot
1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQB7-7QS

Also a possible earlier baptism in Lanreath
4 Nov 1798 Mary daughter of Peter & Ann Williams of Duloe

Son Peter is in Pelynt for 1841, 51 & 61 census and then in 1871 in Duloe
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJH-MM9

 

(replied on both threads)

Sadly, I don't think that is Ann or either Peter. Ann was born in 1784 in Lanviet, not Herodsfoot, and 70 would be too old as that meant she was born in 1778, which is 6 year difference.

This is her birth:

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1463100

My bad, I was wrong, but where would be Peter be born?

[teragram31510]

<<Also a possible earlier baptism in Lanreath
<<4 Nov 1798 Mary daughter of Peter & Ann Williams of Duloe>>


My bad, I was wrong, but where would be Peter be born?
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If the above baptism in Lanreath, found by osprey, is a first child of Peter and Ann (born a year or so after their marriage so I would say it is highly likely) then it may be the parents of Ann (most likely) or Peter lived in Lanreath parish and they therefore baptised the grandchild there (whilst Ann was still 'lying in' having had the baby at her mother's or mother-in-law's home).

Perhaps you should look for Ann and/or Peter's baptisms in Lanreath registers, or in villages nearby - there were several Williams families there at the time, don't know about Phillips.

[Little Nell]

My bad, I was wrong, but where would be Peter be born?

Best option may be to keep searching the Cornwall OPC database, work forwards with all the options, eliminate all those who perhaps died in infancy and then see if you can construct a possible family group.

I hesitate to suggest it, but there are a number of trees on Ancestry which include this couple.  They may provide some clues for possible further avenues to explore.  But the most important thing to remember is to check everything , don't accept anything included there at face value.  You may be able to access the Ancestry Library edition at your local library.

Nell