private baptism 1799

[zetlander]

Thirty five years ago my nephew was baptised immediately after birth by the Hospital  - not expected to survive.
He did but a request for him to be baptised at his local Chapel some months later was rejected as 'you cant' be baptized twice.'
Things may have been different in1799.

[Wulfsige]

HANES TEULU:

- Had you spotted the 22nd March 1801 death of an Ann Gamson, aged 2, in the parish of Aberystruth?

- Naddo. Diolch yn fawr. Mi fydda i'n ddiolchgar am unrhiw hysbysrwydd am y teulu, os rydych chi'n dod o draws rhagor.

[arthurk]

Since the child is not baptised at the second ceremony, there remains the question of how to mark/record the occasion. I haven't found directions/instructions as yet how the minister should record the ceremony.
I have seen (a) ceremonies following a private baptism appearing as a normal baptism (b) the entry in the register indicates "previously baptised/received" or similar (c) no record of the "receiving".

In some places (I've seen evidence of it in Lincolnshire) private baptisms were more or less the norm, and when (or if) the child was later received into the church, this was recorded as a Christening. However, this was a non-standard use of the terms, since the form of words in the Book of Common Prayer only makes sense if "baptism" and "christening" are taken as alternative terms for exactly the same thing.

What I don't think anyone has mentioned is conditional baptism: if there's some doubt as to whether an earlier baptism was performed correctly, the priest performs the ceremony, but with the words "If you have not already been baptised, I baptise you...." Ideally this would go down in the register as a conditional baptism, but I expect it wasn't always.

[jrainbrim]

I have read your Gameson thread with great interest. The John and Mary Gameson you mention are my ancestors. John and Mary also had a son John born in 1802. I think another daughter Margaret. I have found her children on 1861 with John 1802s wife Jane(Brace). Found Ms baptism of 1806 but cannot find her marriage record to the David Williams who is father to her children. He is described as a widower on 1861 census.

[Wulfsige]

The John and Mary Gameson you mention are my ancestors. John and Mary also had a son John born in 1802.

And my ancestor via your John's younger brother Thomas, born 1805. Have you any ideas as to who John (of John and Mary) was, in the sense of where he came from?

[Wulfsige]

... another daughter Margaret. I have found her children on 1861 with John 1802s wife Jane(Brace).

I haven't been able to find that entry. Can you give enough details, please, to point me to it?

[jrainbrim]

I don't know if my information is 100%. A Margaret Gamson was a witness to John Gamson when he married Jane Brace. I thought she was John's sister due to the information on 1861 census fo Jane and her daughters. A David Williams was stated as being Jane's brother but Jane had no brothers. Cannot find a marriage record for Margaret and David. Her daughters Mary and Margaret on gro,both have a Gameson as mother's maiden name.
As you have mentioned a Thomas Gameson perhaps Margaret was born later. I'm so confused.
My tree is on Ancestry, Brimble family tree.