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Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« on: Tuesday 25 July 23 09:27 BST (UK) »
I'd appreciate help translating this 3 June baptism record of Pauline Sophie Krauchenberg. Her father is Ludwig Krauchenberg and her mother Sophie Bahlsen. I believe the document might say illegitimate. I'd particularly like to know the words in the parents' column and whose mother is Pauline Scharff.

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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 July 23 16:32 BST (UK) »
Pauline Sophie Krauchenberg born in Hahlenvorstadt, illigitimate
father: Oberstlieutenant Ludwig Krauchenberg from Lüneburg
mother: Sophie Bahlsen

Witness: the mother Pauline Scharff ?????

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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 July 23 21:50 BST (UK) »
It's a bit of a weird one, isn't it?  ???

Dave: Can you make out the word after Bahlsen? All I can see is that it starts with "d". But I am a wee bit tired...
Just in case it might help explain what "the mother" bit means.
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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 July 23 21:55 BST (UK) »
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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 July 23 09:08 BST (UK) »
Thank you davecapps and Karen McDonald, your time is appreciated and you've helped me confirm that the father Ludwig was military and became a Major more in later years (seems like the Krauchenbergs were career men with the Hussars).

I'm interested in knowing the childhood background of Pauline Sophie Krauchenberg, she ended up in England living, defacto, with my much elder and wealthy gg Uncle; she's always been a bit of a mystery in the family. In the early 1870s, she had been a great supporter of the Prussian-Franco War and knowing her father was a Hussar explains some of that.

She inherited a fair fortune from my Uncle when she was in her 30s; there followed a fight in Chancery over the will, but I think the family liked her anyway. She never remarried (the will stipulated her income stream would end on a marriage) and lived to a great age.

As I said, I'm curious about her childhood. Was she accepted into the Krauchenbergs and supported? Or was she left to fend on her own with her mother... I probably will never know. Either way, army life would have been pretty tough I suppose.

I did try and hunt down more on Sophie Bahlsen/Pauline Scharff to see if they could add any further detail. I found another scrawled document if you are willing and able to have another stab at this. It may be completely off track, I don't know. No worries if you're too busy to take a look  :) My eyes are spinning from trying to decipher a wad of these docs - and I'm normally quite good at this!

Again, thanks for your time. You are v. helpful.

I should add that the bapt header on the orig page says 1838. The date in the entry appears to say 1889 ? - no idea what that's about. Is the entry saying Johan Scharff is Sophie Bahlsen's father? (ie possibly the husband of Pauline Scharff). I am wondering if these are the same combination of people (except for new baby - and a Schulz is the father of little Louis baby...?) Just a wild shot.
Warwickshire: BEACH/BACHE, COX Gloucestershire: HAIL, VOYCE, TURNER, WINCHCOMBE, PREEN, Worcestershire: WEBB, CHARE, TYLER, Fife: FOWLER, JOHNSTONE, MELVILLE, Lanarkshire/Dunbartonshire: GRAHAM, CHALMERS, LANG, BISHOP, Sweden/Hamburg/London/Birmingham: HOKANSON

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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 July 23 11:10 BST (UK) »
It would help if we had a link to the whole document

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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 July 23 11:49 BST (UK) »
It's on Ancestry, will this link work for you.
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/5218522?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22375747387449665338595a6d50647949374e682f39374767322b307136665a386c697570514844476c73343d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

I know I uploaded large size images (on purpose), they're actually the whole entry for this birth. Just checking you are swiping side to side to see whole text.

I checked the above link designed specifically to share and got to say what a poor quality image it gives, what a pointless link.

Not sure if a straight out browser link will work, but here it is:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/300652179:61131?tid=&pid=&queryId=ee7591c2cc05da10b2e24710544919b0&_phsrc=SGm1033&_phstart=successSource
Warwickshire: BEACH/BACHE, COX Gloucestershire: HAIL, VOYCE, TURNER, WINCHCOMBE, PREEN, Worcestershire: WEBB, CHARE, TYLER, Fife: FOWLER, JOHNSTONE, MELVILLE, Lanarkshire/Dunbartonshire: GRAHAM, CHALMERS, LANG, BISHOP, Sweden/Hamburg/London/Birmingham: HOKANSON

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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 July 23 12:37 BST (UK) »
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It's obvious when you know.  ::) Thanks very much!  :-*
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Re: Translate 1837 German Bpt record please
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 July 23 12:53 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Very briefly - I am supposed to be working :D

- August Schulz is stated as father of little Louis

- Johann Friederik Scharff and Peter Inselmann are the witnesses to the christening.

The date is a bit strange, but it could simply be a case of his "3" getting a bit out of hand.  :) The "3" in the heading only has a very small gap between the start and end of the pen stroke, so it could theoretically be that he overdid it a bit this time and they ended up joining, making it look like an "8"...
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