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Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« on: Thursday 27 July 23 20:38 BST (UK) »
 What is the phrase underneath his "Cancelled" membership as a Merchant seaman.
I am thinking one of the words is "lost" which has bad connotations for any future records?

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 July 23 21:07 BST (UK) »
Hi,

The last word looks like "Samaritan" to me. Maybe a ship's name?

Edit: I found this:

https://tallshipsgallery.co.uk/portfolio/samaritan/
McDonald MacDonald M'Donald McGregor MacGregor M'Gregor Twilley Wells Fentiman Carrington Rowe Needham Mitchell Mackie Collingwood Fuller Maides Shilton Hagon Budd

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 July 23 21:15 BST (UK) »
A quick Google suggests that “Samaritan” was lost in 1846 on Bedruthan  steps, sailing from Liverpool.

Mike


Added, credit goes to you karen

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 July 23 07:19 BST (UK) »
 Thanks Karen and Mazi,

I think that is a good end story from a tragedy. The beachcombers took the cargo and the ship's figurehead became a local landmark and it was eventually replaced.

There is more research to do - my person and the seaman have a different birthday, by 2 days, probably not significant but there is another Henry Threlfall event in the future, a local marriage, so was he one of the 2 survivors and made his way home or is that a cousin?

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 July 23 07:52 BST (UK) »
Just thinking out loud....
Is that a T in front of "lost with Samaritan"?  As in Ticket?
I am wondering if it is, they are cancelling his Ticket number, as his actual ticket was lost in the sea. 
The reports in the newspapers say the ship was lost on 22 Oct, 1846, and the 27 Oct, 1846 papers were already saying that apprentice Henry Threlfell and one other survived.  That's a pretty short timeline to say he was lost.
Of course, he may never have gotten a new ticket..... I sure as heck wouldn't have put a foot on a ship again after that!

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 July 23 08:06 BST (UK) »
Yes, it is Ticket lost, as bbart says.

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 July 23 08:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks Bookbox!

I just found the record for John Cass, which was the other sailor that survived.  It has the same note as Henry's did.

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 28 July 23 08:16 BST (UK) »
Can you point me in the direction of local newspapers, reporting on the wreck and that Henry was a survivor? 

That will link into the story that he did make it back to Halsall for a local marriage and family.

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Re: Henry Threlfall 1826-? Born Halsall, Lancashire - A seaman?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 28 July 23 08:23 BST (UK) »
Hopefully this link works; it is from FindmyPast but it states "free to view"

Column 5, lower third for mention of Henry.  The Samaritan appears in two sections of the article, with the survivors named in the second entry.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=BL/0003089/18461027/021&stringtohighlight=henry%20threlfall%20ship%20samaritan

Let me know if it doesn't work for you!