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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 12 August 23 15:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks again for this and your time, I have just messaged my cousin NZ and ask for John Birthday when I have it I will let you know.

We thought she had found a John Yeo that could be Mr Anderson but I found a tree on familysearch sadly not him. ???

I think she has been looking a long time and keeps getting dead ends.

No reply from the other 2 matches one has no tree the other just Fanny Aston and Laurence Bramwell Moses
I found the obituary for Mr William John Moses,  Laurence, father fanny husband he  was born in Cornwall, so thats were Cornwall comes in .
If I get any more info I will let you know.
Kind regards Sue
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Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 13 August 23 14:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Lu
 John Anderson or ??? birthday was on  01/01/1911 born in Auckland she seems to think he had a brother named Roy or Len,  I don't expect that will help
I am now at a total loss still nothing from the other 2 DNA matches it's driving us both mad ???
Regards Sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 17 August 23 23:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue

I've re-checked NZ births for years 1910 - 1911- 1912 using the "01 January" birthdate you gave and there isn't anything that matches.   Of the results returned, I was able to eliminate them all.   

[My note:  Because a birth registration/or record, has not as yet been located, bear in mind that the "1st of January" (in any year), is very often used as a "default date" (- where actual date is unknown). ]
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...... I have just messaged my cousin NZ and ask for John Birthday .....

..... We thought she had found a John Yeo that could be Mr Anderson but I found a tree on familysearch sadly not him. ???   .....

..... I think she has been looking a long time and keeps getting dead ends. .....

I just ask the following because it seems that the info you have to date re: John ANDERSON, comes mainly from "indexes" or "published family trees" (as opposed to official records) ??

Questions:     
*    Are you doing this "John ANDERSON" search in conjunction with your "NZ cousin"
OR ... doing separate searches and then comparing "notes" ???

*    Does "NZ cousin" have any "actual official records"(WW2 Army record / marriage/ death)  for John ANDERSON  ?   [Incidentally, her own full NZ birth record, will list the birthplace of her father and his age at that time. Useful for comparison with other records.  ;) ]

  -- e.g.   His 1955 NZ marriage record ?     
[This record - in printout* format  (* which carries more information than a certificate) - would be the best starting point in reinvigorating a search which has reached a dead end.    John ANDERSON himself would have supplied details,  amongst which (if known) were > "the names of both his parents / his father's occupation /  mother's maiden name ... his own place of birth." ]

Again, as a record to which John ANDERSON has himself contributed details, his WW2 NZ Army file would be a very useful resource.

And because of the time spans which separate the creation of these particular records > , Army enlistment, circa 1939  ... marriage some 15 years later ... there may be quite contrary information (as there will possibly be too, with details given by a third party for his 1986 death record).  But somewhere within, there might be a vital "clue" that allows you to move onwards.

Probably not answered sufficiently at outset of this thread, but New Zealand has a great array of useful records available > all very well documented in the "Resources section of this New Zealand board".    [ NZ BDM records in particular contain far more info that those of UK. ]
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/new-zealand-resources-offers/

But you'll understand that not every record can be had for "free" via the internet  and, in the case of John ANDERSON, his "dates" dictate what is considered both "historical and non-historical data" - and the processes for obtaining (NZ) records of same, differs.   [e.g.  His 1955 marriage record ($) is classified as "non-historical" -- his WW2 file (not yet online), but available (at no cost?) by application form at the NZ Defence Force website -- Death record readily available ($)  from NZ BDM site.  ]

   ~  Lu

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #39 on: Friday 18 August 23 15:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Lu
thank you for spending so much of your time helping me.
my cousin I believe  has his war records when I ask she said the only info she got was the next of kin Mrs Sinclair.
I have ask her again today if she has  printed paper records for both her dads war record and wedding certificate.
I would like to think we are both searching as it her dad family we are looking for.
hopefully  I will have a reply tomorrow and I will get back to you but I am beginning to think she hasn't
it would have been the first thing I would of done
by for now Sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel


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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 22 August 23 14:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue

This is the NZ BDM link needed to make application for a PRINTOUT copy of the 1955 marriage record.
It seems to be quite straight forward to follow. ;D

https://bdmonline.dia.govt.nz/NonHistoricRecords/Index

[If your NZ cousin is the applicant, then she may already have the required RealMe certification (I seem to recall lots of us needing to use it during Covid19 times to access records.)   But NZ BDM will guide her through the process if help is needed. ]

    ~  Lu

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 22 August 23 16:11 BST (UK) »
Hi lu
Thank you so much for this info and have passed it on, we really appreciate it I am sure she will get right on and order it.
regards Sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 16 September 23 08:57 BST (UK) »
John ANDERSON, the tractor driver  may have also been known as Jack

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19390914.2.45?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=%22jack+anderson+rangiora%22~10&snippet=true

Andrew McBride SINCLAIR's death notice. Lists a son as Jack of Rangiora. Perhaps his son John SINCLAIR was AKA Jack too

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19650211.2.210.4?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=%225+Meadow+Road+kaiapoi+%22&snippet=true

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 16 September 23 13:42 BST (UK) »
for slewis  :

Link to your current thread "searching for birth  John YEO" >
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=876500.0

In your Reply # 10 of that thread,  which appears to all be information about John ANDERSON,  you made mention of "having two addresses - not sure if they are both for Mrs H. SINCLAIR -- 5 Edward Street, Kiapoi and 5 Meadow Road, Kiapoi ".   

For the record, "No. 5 Edward Street, Rangiora" was the address given on John ANDERSON's NZ Army enlistment (1939) as the place he was living at that time, and was the same address for the "Mrs SINCLAIR (friend)" whom he nominated as his next-of-kin.

So on your "John  YEO" thread, see Reply # 20,  I've endevoured to explain that "Mrs. H. (Helen) SINCLAIR - of 43 Cass Street, Kaiapoi (c. 1941) and from 1946 residing at "5 Meadow Road, Kaiapoi", is a different person to Mrs SINCLAIR at Rangiora (1939).
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Info for >
Mrs SINCLAIR (friend) - 5 Edward Street, Rangiora. [Next-of-kin to John ANDERSON ]

This lady did not appear at 5 Edward Street, Rangiora, during the time ANDERSON used that address. 

However I found the following newspaper advertisement for a J.  SINCLAIR at 5 Edward Street in 1939.   
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NCGAZ19390810.2.2.2

[I did this search a while back ... but have had to review it because the James SINCLAIR I attributed it to, appears to have died in May 1939 ... and the advertisement is dated August 1939.   ::) ]   Need to check e/rolls again for another "J. SINCLAIR. ]

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 16 September 23 14:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you Lu
Now we know Mrs Sinclair can not shed any light on John history so we can forget about her.
 Do you think itís possible the people at the orphanage gave him the name John Anderson if he was adopted he would have had parents.
I just canít believe itís all so resent and we can not figure it out .
Thank you again Lu for all your help and everyone who have tried to help me thank you for your time
Kind regards Sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel