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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:12 BST (UK) »
Sorry no, I have not been able to locate father or son in 1841
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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 August 23 17:20 BST (UK) »
Hi,
If John was born very early in 1820, this may be relevant, though bear in mind John is a very common name. FS has the Death of a John Gunter in Llanvihangel, Monmouth, 28 May 1819. Llanvihangel in the parish of Crucorney is 6 miles from Llanwenarth. His age is given as 49, giving an approximate dob as 1770.
There is also the Christening of a John Gunter in Llanellen, Monmouth on 20 December, 1765 (possibly a bit early). Llanellen is 5 miles from Llanwenarth.
Also a Marriage of John Gunter to Ann Jones in Llanvihangel 10 May 1800.
They be three different people, and none of them related to your John, but perhaps some starting places.
Stefan
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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 August 23 19:05 BST (UK) »
looks like they went to Scotland before 1861 as the 1851 census in Briton Ferry shows a daughter born in Scotland

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birth reg of older daughter
Elizabeth Ann Gunter june qtr 1846 Cardiff vol 26 pg 399 mmn Hobbs
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 13 August 23 19:14 BST (UK) »
an earlier Thomas born in Briton Ferry
Thomas Gunter march qtr 1851 Neath vol 26 pg 342 mmn Hobbs

burial Briton Ferry 12 Feb 1851 Thomas Gunter 9 weeks address Cottage near the Vernon Arms, Briton Ferry
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 13 August 23 19:32 BST (UK) »
Rosina Jane Gunter, born 16/04/1848, Bothwell, on Scotlands People. Looks like they moved to Scotland before 1848, then back to Scotland between 1851 & 1855

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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 13 August 23 21:17 BST (UK) »
Our John on the 1861 census
Roller of iron
Left The House Bothwell Scotland with chldren -

Elizabeth Ann
Born 25/5/1846  Briton Ferry/ Tree Forest  Glamorgan Wales
Married - Andrew Fairgreave Bothwell
Died 12/9//1929 Southshields


Rosina Jane
Born 16 Apr 1848
Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
Married John Gardener McInnes? Hartlepool 1872

John Henry
Born 13/10/1855 Bothwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Married Mary E Gunter

William Augustine
Born 9 June 1859 Bothwell,Lanark,Scotland
Married 1882 Middlesbrough Margaret Gillies Munro




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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 13 August 23 22:17 BST (UK) »
Hi,
If John was born very early in 1820, this may be relevant, though bear in mind John is a very common name. FS has the Death of a John Gunter in Llanvihangel, Monmouth, 28 May 1819. Llanvihangel in the parish of Crucorney is 6 miles from Llanwenarth. His age is given as 49, giving an approximate dob as 1770.
There is also the Christening of a John Gunter in Llanellen, Monmouth on 20 December, 1765 (possibly a bit early). Llanellen is 5 miles from Llanwenarth.
Also a Marriage of John Gunter to Ann Jones in Llanvihangel 10 May 1800.
They be three different people, and none of them related to your John, but perhaps some starting places.
Stefan

A bit more on the death of John Gunter in 1819

The Cambrian - 5th June 1819
Barbarous Murder!—-On Friday last were committed to Monmouth gaol, by the Rev. W. Powell, William Owen, Edward Jones, and Richard Chugg, charged with the murder of John Gunter, a poor harmless shoemaker, who lived on the side of the Skirrid Hill about three miles from Abergavenny. It appeared, on the confession of Chugg and Jones, that Owen, about two years ago, had stolen a game cock, from the deceased, who caused him to pay a guinea to make it up; when Owen observed, "that he would be sure to fetch it out of him, even if it were twenty years afterwards;" and on Monday night last he put his dreadful threat into execution, by going with the other two unfortunate prisoners to Gunter's house, about twelve o'clock at night, first pulling off their clothes in a field adjoining the house, and blacking their faces. Immediately on breaking in, they dragged the deceased out of bed, put a rope round his neck, and endeavoured to hang him, but the room was too low for that purpose: Owen then struck him on the head with an axe, and completed his bloody intention by cutting him across the head and temple, until he had killed him. Owen lived in a cottage about a mile from Abergavenny, and has been a bad character for some years; Chugg is about eighteen, and appears to have been drawn in entirely from giving way to had company and Jones is a travelling tinker, but has been acquainted with Owen for some time past. Great credit is due to the Magistrates of Abergavenny, and particularly to Mr. Protheroe, of Newport, by whose exertions alone Jones and Chugg were taken.


The Cambrian, 28 August 1819
ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.
At Monmouth Assizes, the business was. not finished till four o'clock on Saturday afternoon. The calendar contained the names of TWENTY SEVEN prisoners, AMONGST whom were WM OWENS,  Edward JONES, and Richard Chugg. who were indicted for the wilful murder of John Gunter, a poor shoemaker, who resided at. Llanvihangel Crucorney, near Abergavenny. The particulars of this horrible transaction were detailed in a former PAPER., The trial of, these unhappy men commenced at eight Friday morning, and continued till half past six. the same evening, when a verdict of Guilty was returned against all three. The awful sentence of DEATH was immediately passed upon them, but Chugg has been respited till the 10th of September. They all evinced the greatest contrition, during their trial. The two former were executed on Monday last,

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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #16 on: Monday 14 August 23 06:15 BST (UK) »
Morning, Mabel,
WOW.
No mention of his wife, who would have been pregnant, and children in the report, who must have been traumatised by it all.
I wonder if the Edward Jones involved was related to the victim's wife, Ann Jones, assuming it is the same John Gunter.
Stefan
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Re: Gunter Family from Wales
« Reply #17 on: Monday 14 August 23 06:53 BST (UK) »
Way before any dates I have so maybe not related. So many John Gunters 😂