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help reading 1600 will
« on: Wednesday 23 August 23 00:37 BST (UK) »
I have a will from 1633 and have  only managed to read two words.  Is there anyone that can help with this?
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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 19:38 BST (UK) »
Yes, there are quite a few who contribute to this kind of thread. We're in different time zones and have varying levels of ability, so over the course of a day you're likely to get a fair variety of input.

Ideally you need to post it as a .jpg attachment to a message - the following thread gives guidance on what image sizes can be used, plus how to change the size, if you need that:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=130922.0

Remember that we need to be able to read what the document says, so if necessary post it in smaller chunks.

Lastly, welcome to RootsChat  :)

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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 21:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the welcome and the help.  I hope this is acceptable
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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 August 23 11:00 BST (UK) »
And even if it does look like the spider has staggered out of the inkpot at the moment, it's really about getting your eye in on the handwriting, and proceeding letter by letter. And knowing that an e looks more like at o with a line across the middle, an h loops down below the line not above it, and a c looks like a modern r all helps.

And if you can read all the letters in a word, and it still doesn't make sense - try sounding it out. Spelling wasn't their strong point!

Most documents followed a fairly set formula. After identifying themselves and where they lived, and often saying why they were making their will (sicke in bodie) they usually left their "soule to Almightie God in the sure and certaine hope of the Resurrection", and may give directions for their burial. Then the bequests. Then they appointed executors, and sometimes what they called Overseers (to help the executors), before dating it and signing it (with the date spelt out in words, and the year is sometimes the Regnal Year).

Keep looking at it, you will probably be able to make out more words soon! And we can always help, via photos, tablets and moble phones take very good photos of documents!

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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 August 23 16:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks. I've been trying to read the  letter by letter but am not having much luck or maybe i should say any luck.  i keep hoping for the magic to happen and I'll start making sense of it.  i  have had that happen with newer wills but this one has me baffled.  i printed  several samples of the alphabet and have been comparing it to the letters in the will without success.
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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 August 23 21:37 BST (UK) »
I think this is the preamble to the Inventory of the goods of John Eaglesham of Kirkoswald in Ayrshire, Scotland - is that right?

Scottish legal texts are not easy, especially when there are Scots words thrown into the mix.  This is a very poor attempt with many missing words

1     .. &? Testament testamentar and Inventar
2     of the Ty..... gen.. debts and secur? of money
3     ... ... to umquhill John Egelschame in Dal
4     quhat within the parochin of Kirkoswall the ...
5     of his decess? ..... ...... .......the ...nethe of
6     ..gass the
7     this line defeats me at the moment
8 ..   last will & Testament ?by the ..... under
9

umquhill means 'late' or 'deceased'
parochin is another Scots word, meaning parish

I don't see any other names in the snip you have posted.

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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 August 23 22:11 BST (UK) »
Thank you!! I am impressed!  Yes, John Eaglesham in Dalquhat in the parish of Kirkoswald is correct.
I'll study the first part a bit more with what you've done to see if i can begin to see the words.   I'll attach the second part.  Many thanks.   
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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 August 23 22:53 BST (UK) »

5     of his decess? ..... ...... .......the ...nethe of
6     ..gass the


You've managed more than I can, but I can see that line 5 ends "the monethe of"
and 6 starts "August"

The next bit might be "the yeare[?] of god .. vi .. three score three" but I'm only guessing that because we're given the document dates to 1663.

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Re: help reading 1600 will
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 August 23 23:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you!   That helps.
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