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Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« on: Monday 02 October 23 17:35 BST (UK) »
I have a conundrum as to whether I've got the right ancestor or whether someone's age was misread, misunderstood or fabricated etc.

In my late parents keepsakes I found a memorial card for 'Dora Church' who died 11/2/1909 and was the wife of Fred Church. What struck me was 'aged 54 years' suggesting she was born in 1854 or 1855 as this contradicted what I thought I'd discovered previously in the belief she was my maternal great grandmother (through her daughter Edith Beatrice Purvess and my mother Rhoda Clements).

It seems Dora had married Fred Church  in 3Q of 1900 following the death of her husband Henry Purvess earlier that year.

In the 1901 Census (listed as 'Dorathy) she lived with Fred and his children at 7 Gas Works Cottages, South Bank, Middlesbrough along with some of her children from a previous marriage : Frederick , James, Emily, and Ethel Purvess. Dorathy's age is listed as 46 which fits the age in the memorial card

In the 1891 Census I believe she was the Dorothea Purvis listed as living at 19 Tees Street, North Ormesby, Middlesbrough with Henry Purvis and the 4 aforementioned children plus her 2 other children John and Edith Beatrice. However Dorothea is listed as age 43 which would fit with the Dorathea Lancaster (b. 1847 in Kirklington, Yorkshire) who married Henry Purvess on 11/2/1871 in Stockton, Co. Durham but doesn't square with the age of the Dora Church who died in 1909.

I assume Dorathea Lancaster is the same person as Dorothy Lancaster daughter of Robert and Ann Lancaster baptised 2/1/1848 in Kirklington, Yorkshire

In the 1881 Census Dorathea Purvess is at 56 James(?) Street, North Ormesby, Middlesbrough with husband Henry Purvess and her first 6 children (Margaret, Mary, Joseph, John, Frederick and James) and her age is stated as 33 which again fits in with the age in the 1891 Census as someone born in 1847.

Is Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy the same person throughout who happened to have had her age changed either accidentally or deliberately or have I gone wrong somewhere?

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Re: Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 October 23 18:14 BST (UK) »
For her to have married Fred Church - Henry would have had to have died before 1900.  Did he?

Daughter Ethel May Purvess b 1888 shows mmn as Lancaster
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Re: Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 October 23 18:18 BST (UK) »
From children on 1891 census

Frederick Ernest George Purvess b 1878 mmn Lancaster
James William Alfred b 1881 - same mother

The same with Ethel b 1888 - mmn Lancaster

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Re: Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 October 23 18:32 BST (UK) »
Not sure how to interpret these records

Sidney Church b 1885, Wakefield has mmn Nichols

Herbert Church b 1889, Wakefield has mmn Smith
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Re: Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 October 23 18:36 BST (UK) »
1900 marriage for Fred Church and Dorothea Purvess , Middlesbro’

Dorothy was a few years older than Fred in 1901 but presumably was even older so she modified her age, maybe.
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Re: Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 October 23 18:38 BST (UK) »
1871 for couple mistranscribed on Anc..
North Ormesby
Piece   4856, Folio   17, Page number   28

Henry Parness   35   Head Kerlington, Yorkshire
Dorothy Parness 23   Wife Kerlington, Yorkshire
Margaret Turcaster 3   Daughter Middlesbor, Yorkshire,

As mentioned all children are registered with mmn Lancaster except Margaret which I think possibly

LANCASTER, MARGARET  ANN     - 
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in STOCKTON  Volume 10A  Page 57

Marriage 1889 Isaac Carling - Margaret Ann Purvess
 
Obtaining the 1871 marriage cert for Henry - Dorothea would possibly confirm her father.

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Re: Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 October 23 19:52 BST (UK) »
For her to have married Fred Church - Henry would have had to have died before 1900.  Did he?

Daughter Ethel May Purvess b 1888 shows mmn as Lancaster

Henry Purvess died in Q1 of 1900. Dora married Fred Church in Q3 of 1900.

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 October 23 22:34 BST (UK) »
Are you ok with this now?
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Re: Dora/Dorathea/Dorothea//Dorathy/Dorothy puzzle
« Reply #8 on: Monday 02 October 23 23:00 BST (UK) »
Are you ok with this now?

Well like you suggested I guessed she must have 'modified' her age to Fred Church but on the other hand you'd think she would have been outed on that before or at her passing if only by a slip of the tongue by one of her children.

However thinking of her oldest children hat made me wonder re my accuracy for Margaret Ann Purvess who is listed as being 13yo in 1881 census and I think was born in 1867/8 ~3 yrs  before her marriage to Henry Purvess???? If that was the case and she later told ppl she was born circa 1855 she'd only have been 13/14 yo at the time. Is that likely? Similarly re Mary Elizabeth Purvess b. 1872, Dora would only have been about 17 when she had her based on her revised age. Surely someone would have questioned the accuracy of Dora's age even if it was when she passed?

So it's not really that neat and tidy!