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Offline Seelife

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Is it the same person?
« on: Friday 06 October 23 20:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Folks. I have two Charles Frederick Winns. One baptism in Bedale, Yorkshire 1848. The other CF Winn was baptised in Marsham, Yorkshire, 26 Sep 1848. I am not up to speed with Yorkshire registrations, but the two places are quite close to each other. Are these the same person but different registrations?  These are not on my tree, but I usually check all nearby Winn/Winds and some Winns moved to County Durham. Thanks for any hints.
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde

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Re: Is it the same person?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 October 23 20:19 BST (UK) »
Where did the information about the Bedale baptism come from? I can't see it in the parish register, so was it non-conformist?

Alternatively, has a birth registration been mistaken for a baptism? Masham (not Marsham) was in the Bedale registration district.
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Re: Is it the same person?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 October 23 20:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Arthurk, sorry, a typo. Yes. Masham was the baptism place, and the reference is Anglican, from a Transcription on Findmypast, Archive reference    N-PR-MAS1-8 page 147.
The other reference to Bedale, V24, Pg 414 is District Bedale and from Brightsolid Online Publishing. Are these are maybe different transcriptions?
The father is Samel and mother Jane. There is a question mark over whether Jane is a Jane Taylor or Jane Drake.
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 October 23 20:36 BST (UK) »
There is  civil registration on the GRO site, for  the birth of a Charles Frederick WINN, Q3 1848 Bedale District, mmn TAYLOR

£2.50 will get you a scan of the register entry to see the details  immediately.

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Re: Is it the same person?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 October 23 20:39 BST (UK) »
Oh, thank you so much. Now it all starts to make sense, even the mother is now clear. Thank you, I had completely forgotten GRO in this timeframe.
However, I have a Familysearch record that says the father Samuel marries a jane Drake in 15 Sep 1839. Not sure how the mothers maiden name is Taylor in that case.
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Re: Is it the same person?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 October 23 20:56 BST (UK) »
There is a transcript of a marriage between Samuel Winn and Jane Taylor in Leeds on 1 September 1832. 

Have you found him in census records at all?
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 October 23 20:57 BST (UK) »
Same is true of Charles' sister Jane

WINN, JANE        
mm TAYLOR     
Q3 1845 BEDALE  Volume 24  Page 373

It's possible someone's picked the wrong Jane from the list of spouses?

Marriages Q3 1839
Wakefield Vol 22 p515   
DRAKE    Jane          
HIRST    William        
MILNER    Hannah        
SUNYEAR    Benjamin   
TAYLOR    Jane        
WARRINER    Peter        
WILSON    Fanny        
WINN    Samuel        

IGNORE THIS - THIS JANE TAYLOR MARRIED BENJAMIN SUNYEAR

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 October 23 21:03 BST (UK) »
Sept 15 1839 St John's Church Wakefield

Samuel Winn  - plumber
Father James Winn carpenter

Jane Drake - spinster
Father George Drake, plumber

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 October 23 21:10 BST (UK) »
The Samuel Winn who married Jane Drake is not your Samuel. He was a plumber and can be found in Leeds in the 1851 census with wife Jane and children Arthur and Clara.

The baptism in Masham of Charles Frederick shows his father was a policeman. A younger brother Thomas Edward Winn was baptized March 1 1851 in York.

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