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Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« on: Saturday 04 November 23 06:56 GMT (UK) »
For my local history group:
May I ask help to decipher the writing at the bottom of the attached drawing of what is said to be the ruins of the Church of Saint Mary, Darley Abbey Derby?
The drawing is of unknown provenance and although I can make out that its supposed to be the Church of St. Mary, Darley Abbey, i can't read every word. The writing doesn't look especially ancient but in 1760 the Reverend Henry Cantrell wrote to the Rev. Doctor Samuel Pegge and mentioned that in about 1712 he remembered stopping at the ruins of St. Mary's Church on Darley Hill, Darley Abbey and singing Psalms on Rogation Thursday with the church wardens of All Saints Church, Derby. The Church of St.Mary was a little far away from the rest of the abbey on Darley Hill (close to where the present St. Matthew's Church sits today).   

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Re: Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 November 23 08:16 GMT (UK) »
I cannot read the first part of line 2. Is that hand writing over some previously existing print?
But the last part of line 2 says …Pickering from a sketch


And line 3 similar print issue at beginning then
…also Tho. W. White Watson of Bakewell

(But I am not 100% sure of the Tho. W.)


Is  this White Watson?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Watson

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Re: Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 November 23 08:29 GMT (UK) »
Is this not the same picture with the uncovered writing here?

https://picturethepast.org.uk/image-library/image-details/poster/dchq200288/posterid/dchq200288.html?action=cookie

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Re: Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 November 23 08:29 GMT (UK) »
Very unfortunate that the printed text interferes with the handwritten words. I suppose this printed text is not on the actual drawing? A 'clean' copy of this drawing would make reading the original text a lot easier.
If this is not possible, a sharper version of the attached drawing would be welcomed (now it's a bit blurry)


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Re: Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 November 23 08:34 GMT (UK) »
Gaffy, well done!
You found a good version of this sketch. Now the text is readable.

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Re: Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 November 23 08:53 GMT (UK) »
Is this not the same picture with the uncovered writing here?

https://picturethepast.org.uk/image-library/image-details/poster/dchq200288/posterid/dchq200288.html?action=cookie

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Well done!

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Re: Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 November 23 12:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks rootschat members for your replies.
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Re: Help to decipher writing at bottom of drawing of a ruined church
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 November 23 03:37 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for your replies and the link to Picture the Past sent by mckha489 was informative but still leaves me with as many questions as answers.
I did make a post on Allestree Village History FaceBook group (Allestree being a village a mile or so North of Darley Abbey).
In case anyone who replied would be interested, here is a link to this post on FaceBook:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/711412013140436

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