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The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« on: Sunday 05 November 23 15:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Again

I have a few pieces of this will I need a little help with. The original images are at:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2F007622677%2F00181&parentid=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2FWILLS%2F359665 but I've attached clips of the parts I can't quite decipher.

First, there's this section of inventory for which I have:

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Item in ye pantry & sellor
      6 [??] 8 bags
           1 beam [?] [??] 3   1   4   0
           Wheels 3 barills

The second part is also a section of inventry:

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Item   fether[?] fowle   0   5   0   
   
Item   1 [?]eane            
   1 tumbrill            
   2 plows   5   5   0   
   2 harrows
Item   3 yokes 2 chains      
   4 Coliers & hornes   0   10   0
   4 paire of tra[?]   

And the last part of inventory:

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Item   3 pare & 1 [??] shirte   1   6   8
Item   2 duzin of napkins   0   8   0
Item   5 pillobe[??]   0   2   6

My thoughts are possibly over shirt, and pillo[w]cases

Finally, the names of two of the witnesses:

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[??] Vesee
William [??]

This will is interesting in that it helps confirm that Margery's maiden name is Heath, and that the kinswoman referred to in her son's will is actually Margery's sister.  The will also references her husband's will, which I previously didn't know about, not surprising because I had previously not looked at all the name variants when I did the initial research on this family several years ago, and which I have now found.::)  Sadly the inventory on this one is tricky as the writing has bled through on the page, so I will be back for more help in a wee while  :)

It's also clear from this will and the other's I've discovered (so far) that the family's milling activities that I had hoped to find out more about have moved in mixed farming; a little disappointing as I'm trying to link back through to this family via my own Stonyer millers. However, I do still have a couple more branches to investigate ...
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 05 November 23 16:26 GMT (UK) »
From the first two sections:

6 Ridils

...beam & skales...



fethered fowle

1 weane
[= wain, a wagon]

4 Colers... [= Collars]

4 paire of traces

ADDED:

I wonder if the Ridils may mean bridles?

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Re: The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 November 23 16:35 GMT (UK) »
From the second two sections:

...3 pare & 1 ode [= odd] Sheete...

...2 dusen of...

...5 pilloberes
[= a common archaic name for pilllowcases]


Ann vesee

William Jone
[probably]

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Re: The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 November 23 17:04 GMT (UK) »
I agree with horselydown's readings, and have a suggestion for this:

ADDED:

I wonder if the Ridils may mean bridles?

Could they be riddles, in the sense of large coarse sieves?

One of Joseph Wright's 17th century definitions is a kind of grid for sifting cinders etc. He also gives instances of a corn riddle, and a riddle for cleansing grain - these two were 19th century, as are most of his examples in this entry, but the absence of anything older doesn't prove it wasn't used in that sense earlier.


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Re: The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 November 23 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes perhaps the sieve is a better idea though here in NZ we, well my extended family, riddle the grate in some of our older chip heaters or wood burners.  To do this a brass or metal object with a piece of metal at right angles at the end is put in a slot in the grate and then this is used to vigorously shake the grate back and forth so the ash falls through.  We call/ed this metal object a riddler.  We would have one of these at each fireplace. 

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Re: The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 November 23 10:42 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your help and suggestions. I think this is another than can now be safely put to bed.

Except for one question.

Where the will references Sone and Sume (son and sum) there is a horizontal bar over the n and m. I believe that this indicates a contraction of some kind, but I'm not sure what.
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 November 23 11:08 GMT (UK) »
In these cases I would take the words to be contracted from Son(n)e and Sum(m)e respectively.

There's a useful reference called Court Hand Restored, which can be easily found and downloaded from the internet.

On page xi of the Introduction you'll find two conventions of contraction regarding A Straight Line over a Vowel and The Straight Line over an m in the middle of a Word.

I think your contractions are derived from these but employed here in a less strict fashion.

EDITED:

I wrote Som(m)e instead of Sum(m)e originally by mistake.  Now corrected.

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Re: The Will of Margery Stanier, 1690
« Reply #7 on: Monday 06 November 23 14:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. I already have a copy of Court-Hand Restored. Should have known to look there  :-[
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.