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Offline jim1

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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 19 November 23 12:03 GMT (UK) »
As the building was hit by an incendiary these "rafters" would have
gone up in smoke but as there are so many lying around leads me
to believe they were for another use.
They look very similar to duckboards & it may be that when the ground was wet
these were laid out in order to move the barrels from inside to the carts.
The fact that there are some sticking out of windows may be because workmen
had found an alternative use for them.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 19 November 23 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone…, all very inventive.  I see there’s potential for a team of battlefield detectives out there.   :)  And I absolutely love that suspension bridge idea !  ;)
I added the URL for this post on an archaeological forum to ask them what they think.  ‘Waterloo Uncovered.’ (PTSD-related soldier archaeologists)  They found several Scots Guards buttons in that building, under the rubble of GREY slate (lol) and charcoal.  Perhaps they may be able to pinpoint something else. 
Thank you for your help…, Iain. 
   
Victoria…, by the way.  You cannot imagine the number of times I think about you when I write the words ‘Courts- Martial.’ (well over a hundred times in the manuscript) Thank you.  Only the National Archives and the MOD get it right.   ;)
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 19 November 23 15:25 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou, it is the courts that are plural , martial is the adjective so no need to pluralise that.
Easy to see how people can get it wrong.
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 November 23 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Wooden roof beams?  Compare with the beam still visible in the roof space.
I would go for that.  The roof seems to have been destroyed, perhaps by fire.  Maybe preparations were under way to rebuild ?
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 20 November 23 14:19 GMT (UK) »
Yes Andrew... 
This was the cidery that was hit by the howitzer incendiarry carcass.  Following the battle, there were no repairs.  As mentioned above, the elements on the grass is the imagination of the unknown artist.  However, I was working on the off-chance that a cider expert could have confirmed the 'ramps' jutting from the two windows.   
As mentioned before, his imagination was obviously related to the woodwork needed for the roof.

Thank you everyone for your help...   ;)
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 20 November 23 14:59 GMT (UK) »
A cider press in the early 19th Century was probably using stones?
Granite or sandstone wheel, running vertically in a stone trough.

The attached is from an American site, but similar systems were in operation in UK and France.
https://www.ciderculture.com/juicing-systems-cider-pressing-equipment-history/
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 21 November 23 08:08 GMT (UK) »
A cider press in the early 19th Century was probably using stones?


Thank you for that..., very interesting.

In the meantime, I will call it a day with this post as it’s not quite genealogy.

Nonetheless, I did find something interesting that could relate to the houses lived-in by all our ancestors.
The image is/was the system used to hold plaster for the ceilings…   A type of ladder system that would have been assembled elsewhere in the form of ladders, then placed one-by-one to create a ‘floor.’  And they could have resembled the objects on the grass.
As a matter of interest:  In those days, fry-feed for the horses (‘carburant’) was often stocked in the attics, as it acted as insulation.  At Hougoumont, the gentleman-farmer Dumonceau had received a notarial licence to sell hay, (‘Haymarket’) telling us that following the heatwave, the whole complex was obviously chock-a-block with the stuff.  Then came the French with their howitzers and their incendiary carcass…, and the munitions simply pierced the slates and burned everything surrounding it.  That ‘insulation’ led to one of the reasons for Napoleon’s success in Europe.  At least…, until the Scots Guards arrived. (lol)   ;D ;)
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 21 November 23 08:14 GMT (UK) »
Just to finish off this post...  When the artist arrived, he probaly painted what he saw, during the cleanup operation, where the farmhands would have emptied the interior by throwing all the fallen 'ladders' and half-burnt timbers out through the window holes. 
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Re: What can be seen on the grass ?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 21 November 23 09:20 GMT (UK) »
I have looked trough my collection of books on cider!
Hardly a mention of Belgium?

Normandy, Brittany, Northern Spain, Germany get chapters in my books. Even Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg.
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