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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 02 December 23 20:03 GMT (UK) »
1901 St Pancras, same district as the Lillingston family

John Carville 54 Head carpenter
Ellen Carville 54 Wife
Sarah Gorge 58 Servant
George Reever 24 Boarder
Annie Stevens 30 Visitor. Domestic cook  B Woolwich. Kent. Xx  same year of birth as Annie Lillingston in 1911, but incorrect for 1939.

This is the best I can do. Could this be Rosanna/ Annie knocking a few years off her true age or am I on the wrong road completely.
It's a shame that the online tree doesn't have more detail.

I think the marriage certificate is needed 🙂

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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 02 December 23 20:20 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Wilcoxon.  I think she may have just adopted a new name(s) but will try and get hold of certificates.  I always try and verify online trees with certificates if I can.  Thank you again
Derbyshire: Hardy, Hunt, Pakeman, Mansfield
Yorkshire: Haigh
Nottingham: Dodson, Challand
Rowley Regis: Dodson
Birmingham: Raybould, Key
Scotland: Fotheringham

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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 02 December 23 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Give us an update when you can, it's nice to see if I was right or wrong.
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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 02 December 23 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Will do....think it will take a little unravelling :D
Derbyshire: Hardy, Hunt, Pakeman, Mansfield
Yorkshire: Haigh
Nottingham: Dodson, Challand
Rowley Regis: Dodson
Birmingham: Raybould, Key
Scotland: Fotheringham


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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 02 December 23 21:29 GMT (UK) »
FS has marriages:

Rose Ann Hardy
Bradford
Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
Possible Spouse   Ellen Hirst
Possible Spouse   Joseph Holroyd
Possible Spouse   Bernard Mcevan

Stefan
Oh! What a tangled web we perceive,
where ancestors try to hide and deceive.

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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 03 December 23 07:17 GMT (UK) »
FS has marriages:

Rose Ann Hardy
Bradford
Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
Possible Spouse   Ellen Hirst
Possible Spouse   Joseph Holroyd
Possible Spouse   Bernard Mcevan

Stefan

Not this marriage. Rose Ann married Joseph Holyroyd, appears in 1901-21 census and dies 1939 with probate record.

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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 03 December 23 08:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone for the time and effort you have put in.  I think I am heading to the conclusion that Rose just adopted names rather than marrying and George just seems to have disappeared - probably to get away from his debts :)  Still, many other branches to keep investigating.  Thank you all again
Derbyshire: Hardy, Hunt, Pakeman, Mansfield
Yorkshire: Haigh
Nottingham: Dodson, Challand
Rowley Regis: Dodson
Birmingham: Raybould, Key
Scotland: Fotheringham

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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 03 December 23 13:08 GMT (UK) »
There's a confusing tree on Ancestry.  I have tried to work out how Rosanna moved from Hardy to Stevens but have failed.
I found a few records but they are so messy I'll have to post them separately or I'll confuse myself and every one else.

Tree owner is Terry Lillingston.
When ROSANNA MANSFIELD (aka STEVENS aka Hardy) was born about 1866, in Woolwich, England, her father, FREDERICK, was 29 and her mother, Dorcas, was 18. She had two sons and one daughter with Thomas Michael Lillingston between 1903 and 1911. She died in March 1947 in Bradford, England, at the age of 81.

It would be interesting to know how the tree owner has got to Rosanna Mansfield and her parents.
In 1939 Annie Liilingston has the same birthdate as Rosanna Mansfield.
Her age at death matches
All census records have her birthplace as Woolwich.
It's too much to be a coincidence surely 🤔


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Re: Geoing round in circles
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 03 December 23 18:33 GMT (UK) »
More to convince me that Annie Stevens / Lillingston is Rosanna Mansfield.


Records on Ancestry.
1905 Poor Law.
Thomas Michael Lillingston, painter,  14 Oval Road .Camden. 1 /11/05 = 16 / 11 / 05. Perhaps he was receiving poor relief.

1911 Thomas Frederick Lillingston bapt July 1911 parents Thomas Michael and Annie. 23 Wellington Street Camden

1910/11 Electoral Registers.  Thomas Michael Lillingston 23 Wellington Street. Camden
No Annie as women didn't have the right to vote then.


1920. Camden Workhouse.  Admission 27 / 1 / 1920 discharged 5/2 /20. Harwell ?
Thos. Michael Lillingston.  Painter. Ward 2. 6 Cathcart Street nearest relative Annie.
He could have been ill, many old workhouses were hospitals by then.

Thomas Michael Lillingston died 1930

1935 Electoral registers
6 Cathcart Street.
Lilian Florence Green
Rosanna Lillingston XXX
Frederick Thomas Lillingston
 She has used her real name .

Annie and her daughter Lillian probably moved to Yorkshire because her son Frederick Thomas married Harriet Breese who was born there

I just couldn't resist trying for more 😀




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