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Searching for ancestor information
« on: Wednesday 07 February 24 15:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

My first post.
After well over 50 years of searching, last summer we discovered the true identity of our Grandfather.
He was not from the US but from England and Bermuda. Half of his siblings were born in England and half in Bermuda.

I have met many new cousins and have gathered a lot of information.

I am stuck at the early life of my Great Grandmother and Great Great Grandmother.

My Great Great Grandmother was Mary Bushel/Bushell.

I have two Baptism dates for Mary. 3/26/1821 and 3/26/1822 in Bighton.
Parents are William Bushel and Susannah (no last name anywhere).

I have that Mary gave birth to Eliza Bushell on 3/17/1843 in Old Alresford.
Eliza was baptized on 4/16/1843 and the record states that she is the illegitimate daughter of Mary Bushell. On the Baptism record it states that Eliza's name is Eliza North Bushell.
This is the only place that I see reference to North.
It appears Mary was at the Workhouse when Eliza was born.
Eliza was my Great Grandmother.

Mary married James Hamblen on 7/20/1843. They were living in Old Alresford.
Throughout her life, Eliza used both Bushell and Hamblin as a maiden name.

Mary also had a daughter Harriet Hamblin and I do have DNA matches to Harriet's descendants as well.

Mary had a sister Eliza Bushell. She was born to William and Susannah on 5/8/1819 in Bighton and baptized on 7/18/1819.
I have Eliza marrying Robert Earwaker on 11/24/1849 in Cheriton.

My issue with the above Eliza is that I have been tracking her descendants to find DNA matches.
I have been disappointed that I have not found any yet. That said, I have only identified one that I was able to reach out to. He was in fact from the Robert Earwaker line but not a DNA match.
I have spent a lot of time researching this line so beginning to wonder if I have missed something.

Thankful for any help that I can find.

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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 February 24 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Puka Welcome to RootsChat

William BUSHEL married Susannah BUDD
9 May 1814 Bighton Hampshire
Both signed with their mark X
Both recorded as from this parish


Children of William and Susannah baptised in Bighton:
•   James - 2 May 1815 (father a labourer, abode Bighton)
•   Eliza - born 8 May 1819, baptised 18 July (father a labourer, abode Bighton)
•   Mary - baptised 26 March 1822 (father a labourer, abode Bighton)
•   George - baptised 3 Apr 1828 (father a labourer, abode Bighton)
•   Harry - baptised 25 Nov 1829 (father a labourer, abode Bighton)
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 February 24 22:25 GMT (UK) »

Eliza was baptized on 4/16/1843 and the record states that she is the illegitimate daughter of Mary Bushell. On the Baptism record it states that Eliza's name is Eliza North Bushell.
This is the only place that I see reference to North.

Two possibilities -
NORTH is  a family surname from an earlier generation on either the Bushel or Budd side.
     or
NORTH was Eliza’s father’s surname.

In 1841 census is that your Mary Bushel working as a female servant in Broad Street, New Alresford.

In 1844 there was a marriage in nearby Ovington of a Henry Bunce NORTH to Ann Easton. Only a possibility, but DNA match might be useful here.
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 February 24 22:34 GMT (UK) »
It looks a bit as if William and Susannah Bushel had died before the 1841 census. I can’t see them in 1841 or a burial for them as yet.



George Bushel born 1828 Bighton
He is also in New Alresford in the 1841 census – also in Broad Street working as a servant. Not far from his sister Mary.


Harry Bushel born 1829 Bighton
In 1841 (age 11) he is also in Broad St., New Alresford, living with the family of Charles Collace / Collis.
Charles’ wife is Dinah / Diana nee Budd (a relation to Susannah Budd) – so it looks as if Harry was with his uncle and aunt.
1n 1851 Harry is working as a servant in Southampton
In 1861 census Harry is in Paddington London, working as a servant
By 1911 census Harry is back in Alresford but now age 81, in the workhouse. He is still single.
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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 February 24 22:59 GMT (UK) »
WOW, thank you so much Neale1961.
This is incredible information.  :) :) :)

It's such a small world. The other day I messaged a woman with a question about her family tree.
She recommended this site.

I thought she lived in England and in fact lives in Australia.
She thought I lived in England and I live in the US.

And I do believe that is my Mary Bushel in the 1941 census.

I will look into all of this.

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 07 February 24 23:04 GMT (UK) »
Burial – William Bushel age 39
19 July 1833 Bighton

His son James (age 18) was buried on 6th May 1833
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 February 24 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Burial – Susan Bushel age 43
21 Jan 1833 Bighton

Gosh – 1833 was not a good year for this family!  :(

So it looks as if the Bushell children lost their parents very early in life, were cared for by a relation of their mother, and probably were sent out as soon as possible to work as servants or labourers.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 February 24 00:38 GMT (UK) »
The census shows that Mary (Bushell) HAMBLEN also had sons –
John Hamblin born abt 1846 Alresford
William Henry James Hamblen born 1860 in Southampton

Have you looked at either of these for a DNA match?


If you use the REPLY button (top or bottom of page), then it may be possible to know how to help further. :)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 February 24 02:39 GMT (UK) »
Dear Neale1961,

You are amazing.

Mary also had a daughter Harriet. I have followed her line and have several DNA matches.

I have not checked out the sons yet. I tend to go back and forth between lines because I find that I can get tidbits that way that help me understand the family relationships. I also find it a bit more exciting that way.
This has all been so new. This is an entire family that we did not know even existed.

History repeated itself with Eliza. Her husband died in his 30's and she died in her 40's. They were in Bermuda then as Thomas was in the Royal Engineers.
Thomas was a Loxdale. I have a huge amount of DNA matches to the Loxdales on 3 continents.

Lionel Loxdale is the person we believe to be our Grandfather. We have so much evidence but lack a picture. We had signatures to compare but the hand writing expert said that the sample was not big enough to be conclusive but he could only say there were similarities.
I have pictures of his two sisters, brother and half brother but no one seems to have a picture of Lionel.
Lionel's sister Rosina married a Greenslade in Bermuda. I also have many matches with Greenslades.
His other sister was married twice and I have DNA matches with Rhoda's descendants from both marriages.

I communicate with a cousin in Bermuda who lived with her Grandmother Rosina for many years.

The story that I believe to be true is... We know that after they were orphaned, Lionel and his brother (about 8 and 10) left for Halifax with their half brother (20 or 21 or so) when they were orphaned. Lionel married a woman there who was pregnant at the time. They lied about their age. They were 19 and Canadian law said you had to be 21 to get married without parental consent.
Their marriage certificates say they were 21.

Before their daughter was born, Lionel abandoned them and came down to the Boston area. His other sister lived there at the time. I live outside of Boston.

I found a newspaper article in a Halifax newspaper about how Lionel was suppose to get married but the woman smelled a rat and went to Halifax in search of information. She found the minister who married them so she left and went back to Boston.
Apparently Lionel told her the marriage wasn't valid. That may be true but when his wife remarried, it says divorced on the record.

This all happened in the late 1890's. Then Lionel disappeared.
Rosina told her granddaughter that Lionel was killed in the Boer War and don't go looking under rocks.

He ended up in the Lexington/Bedford area and worked on a farm for a few years. This area is famous for a lot of the Revolutionary War. The Shot Heart Round the World as they say.

We think this is where he changed his identity to Charles Henry Davis from Northfield, Vermont. There are reasons for his choice of name and location.

He ended up in Somerville, Massachusetts and met and married my Grandmother.
Neither my Mother nor her 3 sisters were ever told of or met any family.
There is no mention of any family in Charlie's obit. The only personal thing it said about him prior to meeting my Grandmother was that he worked on a farm in Bedford before moving to Somerville.

Meanwhile, his sister Rhoda who lived in Boston, lost her husband and abandoned her infant son to an Asylum for children. She left and lived in England and Bermuda.
I found a missing person's report from 1926 placed by Rhoda in a Boston newspaper that she was looking for her brother Lionel Loxdale who was last seen in Lexington in 1899.
Charlie showed up in Somerville in 1903. He died in 1924.

There are so many things about this story that make me sad. One of the biggest is his daughter Effie who he abandoned. It sounds like she had a good life except for the fact that even though her Mother remarried, she didn't have more children. Effie lived about 2 weeks past her 100th birthday and next of kin was listed as a neighbor. Effie lived about 40 minutes away from our large Irish (and English) family and we would have embraced her.

So without a picture, I am a bit obsessed with DNA matches and knowing the family that two generations did not know existed.

You have given me much work to do here and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

PUKA