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Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help?
« on: Sunday 11 February 24 17:48 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to identify the Thomas Holyland who died in Lambeth in 1838 and thought the informant on his death certificate might give a clue but if it does, that clue is eluding me!

Details on certificate:

Thomas Holyland, labourer, age 71, died at 106, Cornwall Road (Lambeth district) on 28 Jan 1838 (day actually not clear but I don't think it matters if it's a day or two out!)
Informant - Mary Woolsgrove (made her mark), Daughter in law, 70 Commercial Road, present at death.

I only have one possible Thomas on my database who might fit the bill, but he was a butcher and Chelsea out-pensioner (fought at Waterloo), last positively identified in 1816 when he was discharged from the army, "old and worn out" (pity him if he then had to work as a labourer!)

So who was this daughter in law Mary Woolsgrove? There's someone of that name in Newington in the 1841 census but she was from Ireland, and there's nothing I can see to link her to the Holyland name. I can't see any useful info on marriages or deaths. I've also looked for Woo*grove to account for name variations.

Who knows what "daughter in law" might have meant then as well.

It's always possible that Thomas wasn't really a Holyland, sometimes the Holland surname was mistaken for this, but not often.

Can anyone help with Mary, or with any Woo*grove + Holyland links that I've missed?

Muchas gracias :)

Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 February 24 21:35 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage between a Thomas Holyland and a Charlotte Woolsgrove in 1803 at St Margaret's, Westminster.

Is this the Thomas Holyland you have? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8701858

Monica
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Re: Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 February 24 21:37 GMT (UK) »
daughter in law could refer to someone we might think of as stepdaughter.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 February 24 21:44 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage between a Thomas Holyland and a Charlotte Woolsgrove in 1803 at St Margaret's, Westminster.

Monica

Just noting that both bride and groom were widowed on this marriage record.
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Re: Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 February 24 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, that makes sense (including Mary being a stepdaughter).

I didn't have that marriage record, though I had found a burial for a 77 year old Charlotte Holyland in Lambeth in May 1849 - this must be Thomas's wife.

It gives me more to go to try to identify the said Thomas!
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 February 24 12:29 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage between a Thomas Holyland and a Charlotte Woolsgrove in 1803 at St Margaret's, Westminster.

Is this the Thomas Holyland you have? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8701858

Monica

Monica - yes, that's the Thomas whose details I have.

It's possible it's the same Thomas as I believe he married in Desford (Leicestershire) but his wife was buried there in Jan 1800, just a few weeks before he joined the army. It's a shame his army papers don't make mention of any dependants.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help? COMPLETED, THANKS!
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 13:34 GMT (UK) »
I've looked at the signature of "Thos Holyland" on both marriage registers (Desford, 1793, and Westminster, 1803) and I'm pretty sure they're the same. So thank you! Another puzzle solved!
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Holyland/Woolsgrove link? Can anyone help?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 20:25 GMT (UK) »
That's great news, Annie  :)

Monica
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