John Yates still hitting brick walls

[SummerCrush]

I need help still tracing my 3x great great great Grandfather John Yates he married a lady called Mary Ann White in Wembdon, Somerset back on 3rd November 1868. I do not know John's age at time of marriage as it states full age under the age on the marriage certificate. we know Mary Ann White was born sometime in 1842 in Bridgwater, Somerset and she would have been 26 years of age at time of marriage.

John Yates job occupation at time of marriage was a Clerk

but on his son Edward John Yates birth and baptism original certificates his father John Yates job occupation is listed as Staff Sergeant 6th Foot Regiment. {we also know that Edwards father John Yates was deceased by April 1871 as Mary Ann Yates is registered as a widow when she goes to visit her cousin Caroline Kirk in Cheetham Manchester}

Mary Anne White's father was William George White and his occupation at time of marriage was a Mason

John Yates father is listed as William Yates William Yates and his job occupation is listed as a Hosier on John Yates and Mary Ann White's wedding certificate.

I can not find any record of John Yates and Mary Ann White living together in Bridgwater, Somerset or Wembdon, Somerset before they were married or after they were married.

we know Mary Ann White born 1842 and died 1910 she moved to Manchester and re-married a Quebec, Canada man called Walton Herbert Bell born 1835 and died 1915 and they had 2 daughters and a son.

[AlanBoyd]

This seems to combine Clerk with a military connection?

28 November 1868: West Somerset Free Press

MARRIAGES
On the 3rd instant, at Wembdon, by the Rev. Henry Trend, Mr. John Yates, clerk to the Military Secretary, Jamaica, to Mary Ann, eldest daughter of Mr. W.G. White, Bridgwater

[SummerCrush]

This seems to combine Clerk with a military connection?

28 November 1868: West Somerset Free Press

MARRIAGES On the 3rd instant, at Wembdon, by the Rev. Henry Trend, Mr. John Yates, clerk to the Military Secretary, Jamaica, to Mary Ann, eldest daughter of Mr. W.G. White, Bridgwater

thankyou right one but wrong date

the original marriage certificate for John Yates and Mary Ann White definitely states they were married 3rd November 1868 this marriage certificate which i was given by my Aunty {the daughter of Ida Yates and Christopher Winchester - Ida was the daughter of Edward John Yates and Mary Jane Aykroyd}

Mary Anne White and John Yates marriage certificate that I have reads as follows married in a Married Wembdon, Bridgwater, Somerset in Church Of England Church 3rd November 1868 by Banns
John Yates Father William Yates was a Hosier
Mary Ann White father William George White was a Mason
Reverend was Henry Trend
witnesses were Mary Anne Uncle George White and Eliza Jane Bennett

Mary Anne White and John Yates son Edward John Yates was born 23rd November 1871 and was baptised in 1872 in the St Pauls Parish Church, Blackburn, Lancashire

[AlanBoyd]

wrong date? I don’t uderstand: the item says 3rd inst., so since the article was published in November, the marriage was November 3rd.

Or am I missing something?

[SummerCrush]

wrong date? I don’t uderstand: the item says 3rd inst., so since the article was published in November, the marriage was November 3rd.

Or am I missing something?

yeah sorry i mis-read what you put my apologies

[SummerCrush]

if John Yates was indeed clerk to the Military Secretary, Jamaica does that mean he would have possibly died in Jamaica?

[fiddlerslass]

The next step seems to be to find a death/ burial for John which would give his age.

 If the son was born in late November and the mother was a widow by census date 2nd April, then the death must have been registered in, most likely, the first or possibly second quarters of 1871. There is nothing in the deaths overseas on Find my past, so it presumably happened in the UK or possibly Ireland as the 2nd battalion 6th foot regiment were based there in 1870-4. The first battalion was based in India1868- 1871 and was never associated with Jamaica as far as I can tell.

Here are the possibilities in England from the GRO. I did not look at spelling variants such as Yeats etc.

    YATES, JOHN        38 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 159

   YATES, JOHN        57 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in WETHERBY  Volume 09A  Page 96

   YATES, JOHN        60 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in FOLESHILL AND SOWE  Volume 06D  Page 305

   YATES, JOHN        82 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in BOLTON  Volume 08C  Page 247

Second quarter

YATES, JOHN        23 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in OLDHAM  Volume 08D  Page 411
   YATES, JOHN        39 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in ROCHDALE  Volume 08E  Page 55
   YATES, JOHN        71 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 237
   YATES, JOHN        90 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 08E  Page 349


You can probably eliminate the very old men.

The 6th foot later became the Royal Warwickshire regiment but in 1857 they formed a second battalion in Preston Lancashire, so John may have been recruited there. In 1864 the second battalion were in Jamaica which may explain the newspaper mention of being clerk to the Military Secretary.

Some history and links

http://web.archive.org/web/20071216173149/http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/006RWF.htm

[AlanBoyd]

if John Yates was indeed clerk to the Military Secretary, Jamaica does that mean he would have possibly died in Jamaica?

My guess is that the Military Secretary was a UK position.

[SummerCrush]

The next step seems to be to find a death/ burial for John which would give his age.

 If the son was born in late November and the mother was a widow by census date 2nd April, then the death must have been registered in, most likely, the first or possibly second quarters of 1871. There is nothing in the deaths overseas on Find my past, so it presumably happened in the UK or possibly Ireland as the 2nd battalion 6th foot regiment were based there in 1870-4. The first battalion was based in India1868- 1871 and was never associated with Jamaica as far as I can tell.

Here are the possibilities in England from the GRO. I did not look at spelling variants such as Yeats etc.

    YATES, JOHN        38 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 159

   YATES, JOHN        57 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in WETHERBY  Volume 09A  Page 96

   YATES, JOHN        60 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in FOLESHILL AND SOWE  Volume 06D  Page 305

   YATES, JOHN        82 
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in BOLTON  Volume 08C  Page 247

Second quarter

YATES, JOHN        23 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in OLDHAM  Volume 08D  Page 411
   YATES, JOHN        39 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in ROCHDALE  Volume 08E  Page 55
   YATES, JOHN        71 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 237
   YATES, JOHN        90 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 08E  Page 349


You can probably eliminate the very old men.

The 6th foot later became the Royal Warwickshire regiment but in 1857 they formed a second battalion in Preston Lancashire, so John may have been recruited there. In 1864 the second battalion were in Jamaica which may explain the newspaper mention of being clerk to the Military Secretary.

Some history and links

http://web.archive.org/web/20071216173149/http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/006RWF.htm

Rochdale would make sense as Mary Ann White was visiting her cousin Caroline Kirk in Cheetham Manchester on the 1871 UK Census and on written on it states she was a widow

and then when Mary Ann White and John Yates son Edward John Yates was born she was living at 27 Bicknell, Street, Blackburn, Lancashire, UK and we know Mary Anne White died in Bacup, Lancashire, UK in 1910