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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 14 May 24 18:10 BST (UK) »
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Ivy and Holly's births are registered in Worksop.

Todwick and Dinnington, both in Yorkshire, were in the registration district of Worksop, Nottinghamshire, until 1936.

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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 14 May 24 18:16 BST (UK) »
Birth registration for James Hurst -

First name(s)    James
Last name    Hurst
Birth registration year    1866
Mother's maiden name    Hurst
District    Worksop
County    Nottinghamshire

Baptism date    17 May 1869
Birth date    27 Jan 1866
Baptism place    Dinnington, St Leonard
Mother's name: Mary Hirst (single woman)
Residence Dinnington


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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 14 May 24 18:23 BST (UK) »
Harriet and Phoebe in 1901 census

Piece   2663
Folio   21
Page number   34
Household schedule number   190
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
Elijah Bowen 47 Head
Harriett Bowen 31 Wife
Lillian Bowen 7 Daughter
Amos E Bowen 4 Son
Phoebe Bowen   2   Daughter


BOWEN, AMOS  EDWARD     GOUGH 
GRO Reference: 1896  S Quarter in WALSALL  Volume 06B  Page 717

Marriages Sep 1890   

BOWEN    Elijah        Cannock    6b   717   
Gough    Harriet Ann        Cannock    6b   717


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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 14 May 24 18:26 BST (UK) »
I wonder if James Hurst and Harriet A Bowen divorced their respective spouses before the 1911 census.
Or did Elijah Bowen and Ann Hurst die before 1911?

Although we now know the "married 14 years" was a fib (as per 1911 census)


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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 May 24 18:27 BST (UK) »
Birth of Harriett

GOUGH, HARRIETT  ANN     mmn SALT 
GRO Reference: 1871  S Quarter in PENKRIDGE  Volume 06B  Page 433

(Cannock in Penkridge reg district)

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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 May 24 18:29 BST (UK) »
Personally I believe Alice and Harriet to be one of the same, same pob, almost same dob.

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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 May 24 19:35 BST (UK) »
1901 census - Duke Street Midland View, Whittington Moor, Whittington, Chesterfield, Derbyshire

James Hurst, born 1871 Yorkshire   *Marital status is single*  ???
James Hurst, born 1890 Newbold, Derbyshire

Both of the above boarding with William and Mary Roberts. No sign of wife Ann (nee Baker).
As per the 1891 census, Ann is deaf (see Reply #3)

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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 08:44 BST (UK) »
Oh what a minefield! Thanks for all the input.

I had seen the possible GOUGH mmn but couldn't match it up with any other data and now I know why I couldn't find the family as Hirst in 1911 if they are Mitchell!

I shall go through all of this data that you have all provided.

When one gets to the point that one is going round in circles it is wonderful to have this rootschat community to have a look at the problem so Thanks again to everyone.
Gypsy DRAPERs, children of Billy and Mary - Ellen,Darnity,Spencer,Billy Jnr,Kisby,Ellick
Descendants of Fred and Esther (Garrett) WHITLOCK - Wavendon, Woburn Sands area
Descendants of George and Barbara (Willis) SUTTON - Earls Barton and Nether Heyford
BISSELL - Hanslope, New Bradwell, Bucks and Aston, Birmingham area
Lavinia DRAPER died 1840 Cranfield
Gypsies in the Bow Brickhill and Beds/Bucks border areas

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Re: Holly and Ivy in 1911
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 10:29 BST (UK) »
1871 census - James Hurst is at Adwick Shroggs, Adwick upon Dearne, Doncaster.

Born 1866 in Dinnington. Living with his uncle Charles Hurst.

Possible for the 1891 census - Sanforth Street, Newbold and Dunston, Chesterfield, Derbyshire

James Hurst (coal miner), born 1866 Dinnington
Ann Hurst (wife), born 1861 Whitwick, Leicester   *deaf*
John James Hurst, born 1890 Whittington, Derbyshire

Possibly John James Hurst birth

HURST, JOHN  JAMES     mmn BAKER 
GRO Reference: 1889  D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD  Volume 07B  Page 656


For info.

Could this be Ann Hurst nee Baker born Whitwick (as per 1891 census) baptised in the Catholic Church, her brother Michael baptism same Church in 1855

Parish Whitwick, Holy Cross
Anna BAKER
Birth date 3 Jul 1859
Baptism date 15 Jul 1859
Father Joannis Mother Annae Caven
Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

BAKER, ANN   mmn CAVAN
GRO Reference: 1859  S Quarter in ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 96   

John is widowed on 1871 census living Leicester Road, Whitwick, Ashby de la Zouch, Leicestershire
John   Baker Head   1831   Labourer   Ireland
Michael Baker Son   1855   Miner Whitwick, Leicestershire
Ann Baker Dau   1860   Whitwick

Could this be Ann on 1881c?

1, Shaws Buildings, Whittington, Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Edmund   Forrest   Head   Married   1858   Labourer at iron wks   Newbold, Derbyshire
Priscilla   Forrest   Wife   Married   1858 Brampton, Derbyshire
Charles   Forrest   Son   Single   1878 Brampton, Derbyshire
Ann   Baker Lodger   Single   1858   Pott carrier at pottery, N.K., Leicestershire

The above Ann Baker is not noted as being deaf on either 1871 or 1881 census though  :-\

Possible 1865 burial of her mother also named Ann

Anna BAKER
Deanery Loughborough
Diocese Nottingham
County Leicestershire
Death date 14 Oct 1865
Burial date 16 Oct 1865
Parish Whitwick, Holy Cross
Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Burials

BAKER, ANN   age 40
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH UNION  Volume 07A  Page 59   

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