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would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« on: Saturday 18 May 24 16:59 BST (UK) »
I don't know where else to post. this......ive got a. family.in England who give their son the middle name of Lyon. in England in 1819....was this a purely jewish name at the. time and.considered  somehow not very respectable by conservative non jewish families, or was it used by everyone

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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 May 24 17:08 BST (UK) »
Can't answer re the religious side but many of my ancestors were given surnames as middle names. 

Apart from one - none of the surnames connect to the FH so my conclusion was they were friends of the family.

3 females were given middles names of Bullock/McDonald/ Jackson

My paternal grandfather was given the middle name of Gilchrist because his eldest sister - born 22yrs previously - married a James Gilchrist a year before my grandfather was born.  That middle name was subsequently given to my brother - he hated it😡
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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 May 24 18:27 BST (UK) »
The Lyon name is part of the Scottish nobility, the Earls of Strathmore, and the Celtic Clan Lyon dates back to the 1300's and has origins in Anglo French nobility so not purely a Jewish name.   With it origins in noble families, can't imagine it wasn't considered a respectable name in polite conservative society of Georgian England.

The Queen Mother was Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon and the daughter of the 14th Earl of Strathmore.
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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 May 24 21:09 BST (UK) »
I don't know where else to post. this......ive got a. family.in England who give their son the middle name of Lyon. in England in 1819....was this a purely jewish name at the. time and.considered  somehow not very respectable by conservative non jewish families, or was it used by everyone

Why would anyone think that the Irish surname Lyon is Jewish??
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 May 24 21:18 BST (UK) »
Well.... J. Lyons & Co. was founded in London by a well-known Jewish family. One of my relatives ate lunch everyday at a Lyons' Corner House in the West End, courtesy of work luncheon vouchers.  ;D

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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 May 24 21:20 BST (UK) »
thanks. to you both.

I appreciate what you're saying, but im talking about working class Nottingham, where I've never come across anyone with the first or second name Lyon, who. wasn't. jewish...I know jews didn't name their children after living friends or relatives, so, if a non jewish family had named the baby after a. jewish friend, the friend wouldn't. have been very pleased.

at the time there was a fair amount of jewish immigration into Nottingham, I wonder if giving your child this name. would. have. provoked the same reaction as if you'd given it an Indian name in the 1950s.

I guess what I'm really asking is whether this was. a name like Samuel or Joseph, used by both communities or. would it have been seen as for4eign ???

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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 May 24 21:24 BST (UK) »
Who even knew this name has/had Jewish links?
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 May 24 21:26 BST (UK) »
yes, Ashton, I just about. remember those days....

but thats the whole point, they were a jewish family and whereas there are lots of. Leons around now, in non jewish families, I wonder if that was the case then 8)

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Re: would Lyon have been a. name a. non jewish family would. have used
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 18 May 24 21:32 BST (UK) »
well, wexfllyer, id. always thought the present day name Leon had. a strong jewish connection, but I only had it confirmed when I found. out when one of my branches.was. jewish. and I found Lyons there but nowhere else in any of my. families.

so, as I said, it. doesn't seem to have been used by. both communities....but that. might be. just my experience