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Offline aghadowey

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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 13 June 24 10:07 BST (UK) »
Some details on Welsh family on this thread-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=883268.18
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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 13 June 24 16:07 BST (UK) »
Neale1961, it is possible that year is slightly out but I am just going off the poor law age when she was 28 in 1899 and her death certificate in 1944 where she was aged 72.

Thats a great connect with her sister being in New York too I didnt know her husband was a holster too so that does make sense for them both being in New York with their husbands working in the same line of work.

Did you find a 1881 Scotland census with the Welsh family? I only have Edward Welsh aged 68 and Susan Welsh aged 70 in 1901 Shotts, Lanarkshire on the same census is Alexander Welsh and Elizabeth Jane (nee McIntyre) Welsh and his 4 stepchildren with the surname Ross.

Added: Edward also shows up aged 80 in the 1911 Ireland census in the home of his son James Walsh here: https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Articlave/Articlave_Upper/587966

Although I did find this death record from 1913 in Coleraine signed by grandson Alexander Wilson based in Cleland (Scotland) where his is marked as 74 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05321/4481078.pdf

I also found this document on Culfeightrin which talks about Edward Walsh from the Griffiths Valuation 1861 on page 348: https://niarchive.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Placenames-and-Fieldnames-BOOK-WR.pdf

I have searched through the Culfeightrin parish records before for Mary but could not find her, thank you for finding her siblings in there, Ill update my records.

Any idea what convert means? Does this mean they were another denomination prior?

Some details on Welsh family on this thread-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=883268.18

This post is my other post on my Wilson line research, who married into the Welsh family so there is cross over, William Wilson married Mary Welshs sister Martha Welsh in Culfeightrin and there was an intra-family marriage with their son Alexander Wilson and Mary Welshs daughter Fanny Henry.

Im still struggling at tracing William Wilson and his parents (their names are known) but there is also information in the above Culfeightrin document on the coal mines (Starting p458) and Wilson is listed as family surnames in the area, William was a miner staying in Ballyreagh, Culfeightrin but may have been based there for work.

A lot to unpack there but I hope that all makes sense.

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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 13 June 24 18:12 BST (UK) »
In the 1911 census that James Walsh and family, including father Edward, are listed as Church of Ireland. You'll need to find the marriage of James and Margaret (maiden name possibly McAuley)- if in Scotland both of his parents should be listed.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Articlave/Articlave_Upper/587966/
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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 13 June 24 19:09 BST (UK) »
In the 1911 census that James Walsh and family, including father Edward, are listed as Church of Ireland. You'll need to find the marriage of James and Margaret (maiden name possibly McAuley)- if in Scotland both of his parents should be listed.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Articlave/Articlave_Upper/587966/

aghadowey, here is the 1879 marriage of James and Margaret McCauley:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11065/8048073.pdf

Father listed as Edward Welsh (Labourer)


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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 13 June 24 20:32 BST (UK) »
Not really what I was expecting but found an Aghadowey connection with the Walsh/Welch family as well as lots of other information. It would seem that Edward Walsh and son James worked at Ballynacally (Rushbrook) in the 1880s. Still struggling to find complete details on everyone so won't post every thing just yet.
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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 13 June 24 22:46 BST (UK) »
1881 census Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Susanna Welsh 49 born Ireland
William Welsh 25 born Ireland, general labourer
Hugh Welsh 20 born Ireland, general labourer
Patrick Welsh 16 born Ireland, designer
Susanna Welsh 14 born Ireland, dressmaker
( I assume the father Edward was still in Ireland. It is curious that the youngest daughter Mary, is not with the mother in Kilmarnock.)


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Susanna (Taylor) WELSH received parish relief in Scotland in Dec 1904. By the 1911 census her husband is a widower, so she died between 1905-1911.
Of course, the marriage may have separated, and he was calling himself a "widower".

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Edward Welsh and Susanna Taylor married in the Church of Ireland (1849) but those children baptisms that I posted were in the Catholic parish church (as I understand it). SO I assume they had converted to Catholicism. They seem to jump from one church to the other, as they do between countries. I dont know the reasoning some advantage to them, or they just didnt care too much which church they used?

Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #51 on: Thursday 13 June 24 23:44 BST (UK) »
Here are the records I have from the poor law applications in North Lanarkshire, based around Cleland/Shotts which lists a lot about the Welsh family and were central to my research as I know for sure that this is the correct Martha Welsh that was married to my x2 grandfather William Wilson, father to my great grandfather Alexander Wilson.

North Lanarkshire, Scotland, Poor Law Applications and Registers, 1849-1917

Edward Welsh Age: 71 Applied for relief in 1903 (Reg no is 1287)
All correct family members listed as well as Susan Taylor 80 as wife:
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61702/images/48962_273022002859_0084-00778?pId=99600

Susan Taylor or Welsh Age: 80 Applied for relief in 1903 (Reg no is 1320)
All correct family members listed as well as Edward Welsh as husband, marked as in Ireland visiting his sons (his reg no is 1287)
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61702/images/48962_273022002859_0084-00839?pId=45099723

Martha Welsh or Wilson (Widow) Age 59 Applied for relief in 1911 (Reg no is 1793)
Parents: Edward Welsh, Flax Dresser & Susan Taylor
All other correct family members listed as well as William Wilson as husband (died the year before)
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61702/images/48962_273022002859_0084-01676?pId=60101623

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61702/images/48962_273022002859_0083-00085?pId=95795

William Wilsons application in 1909 (Reg no is 1650) where he is marked dead in the notes.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61702/images/48962_273022002859_0084-01449?pId=101117

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61702/images/48962_273022002859_0082-00347?pId=94440

Hopefully you can see those links as they are on Ancestry, if not I could save the images. Could it be we are following two different families and that is where the confusion lies?

I have added them into a folder here to download, if the ancestry links don't work:
https://www.dropbox.com/t/feFiksbUS0eNe9F9

Let me know if you can see these.

I also have Mary Welsh and her daughters details in the 1899 and 1904 poor law application in Cambusnethan by her 2nd Husband Thomas Dougal:
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61702/images/48962_273022002859_0041-00329?pId=45037338

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/41034:61702?tid=&pid=&queryId=4d14429f-48d4-4322-81b7-bd06f7e803c7&_phsrc=MIg5284&_phstart=successSource

These docs were the starting point for my research into her daughters and 1st husband in New York.

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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #52 on: Friday 14 June 24 01:25 BST (UK) »

Hopefully you can see those links as they are on Ancestry, if not I could save the images. Could it be we are following two different families and that is where the confusion lies?

Kris, I had already viewed the various poor law applications. I am not sure what confusion you refer to.


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Possible Death (age is out, but it depends on who the informant was)

WALSH   SUSAN TAYLOR        age 66              mother CALLYAN   
F   1906   655 / 3 / 22           SHOTTS (WESTERN DISTRICT)

Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: James Henry and family based in New York
« Reply #53 on: Friday 14 June 24 02:09 BST (UK) »
Ah ok I was not sure how many you had seen sorry, I just meant the gaps in the death years of the Edward records and wondering if it was two different Edwards.


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Possible Death (age is out, but it depends on who the informant was)

WALSH   SUSAN TAYLOR        age 66              mother CALLYAN   
F   1906   655 / 3 / 22           SHOTTS (WESTERN DISTRICT)



I just purchased that record and can confirm it's her:

Susan Taylor Walsh  Age:66
Married to Edward Walsh (Labourer)
Signed: Alexander Wilson (Grandson, Cleland)

Parents: Hugh Taylor and Elizabeth Taylor (MS Callyan)