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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #18 on: Monday 10 June 24 07:40 BST (UK) »
By 1861, Joseph still lives with his parents Abraham and Mary ROTHWELL.
He is a Woolsorter like his father and aged 25.

Brother Alfred is 14 and there are lodgers.

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #19 on: Monday 10 June 24 07:54 BST (UK) »
I went to have my dinner and came back to the break through!
I had been planning to look -  as Edwin has this daughter

ROTHWELL, MARY  ESHELBY     SILVERWOOD 
GRO Reference: 1869  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 644

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #20 on: Monday 10 June 24 08:23 BST (UK) »
so Edwin should know his father is Abraham, and that is what should be on his marriage certificate.
Is it?

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #21 on: Monday 10 June 24 09:24 BST (UK) »
https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2023/261/259847355_29224eff-1f6a-4785-92ee-f63cc2154b3b.jpeg

Abraham Rothwell
Birth Date   1814
Death Date   31 Mar 1862
Cemetery   Rochdale Cemetery and Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place   Rochdale, Metropolitan Borough of Rochdale, Greater Manchester, England

Mary Rothwell
Birth Date   1812
Death Date   9 Jan 1864
Cemetery   Rochdale Cemetery and Crematorium

There are others buried same grave on inscription

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #22 on: Monday 10 June 24 09:31 BST (UK) »
1871 at 12 Packer Street, Rochdale -  Rothwell family address in census

Ann Clegg   56 yorkshire
Alfreds Rothwell nephew   24 Rochdale
Plus lodgers

Possibly Ann/William unable to have children Edwin brought up by Aunt. Also able to acquire plumbing trade through William?

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #24 on: Monday 10 June 24 09:47 BST (UK) »
Here is the death of Mary ROTHWELL, Abraham's wife in 1864.

(Strangely and coincidently  one Mary wife of Wm CLEGG too)
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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #25 on: Monday 10 June 24 13:18 BST (UK) »
Wow, this is like Christmas!  (I just woke up and checked my email.  I'm in Canada.)  Thank you Sue and Cas and mckha489!  So Ann was an Eshelby!  And it looks like Edwin's mother was an Eshelby.
 (Until now there were 3 possibilities re the connection between my great great granddad Edwin and his aunt and uncle William and Ann:  1. William was his maternal uncle, i.e. his mother was a Clegg too; 2. Ann was his maternal aunt, maiden surname u/k [Eshelby, sister of Mary Eshelby]; and 3. that Ann was his paternal aunt, maiden surname Rothwell.  This narrows it down to no. 2)

The will you've found Sue is definitely the right one for Ann, for it notes that Edwin was in Kirkby Lonsdale, which is so.  He'd moved there, the home of his wife Margaret and originally her father, to have a family.  It's a very lovely town.  Here's a fun vlog from there: https://youtu.be/wrCf603-VeQ?si=wpaI_Sc4j_0NDx0e  My great grandfather was born there.  Sadly Edwin's wife Margaret passed there at @ age 31.  I don't know if she died from childbirth.)   So Ann had nephews Joseph Rothwell per her will and Alfred Rothwell, born in Rochdale, per the 1871 census, both brothers. 
It looks very much like Ann was Mary's (Abraham Rothwell's wife's) sister.  What a lovely headstone!

I note that John and Lucy Rothwell were witnesses to Abraham's wedding.  I know that Edwin had a daughter named Lucy.  Was Rothwell her maiden name?  Was she the spouse or brother of John?  (I'm not suggesting there's any likelihood that Lucy could be an Eshelby too, but it's not unheard of for 2 siblings to marry 2 siblings.  It's happened in other branches of my tree.)

I'll check the census records to see whether Edwin sired an Abraham in honour of this man who was likely his father, and a Mary.  My great grandfather was a Robert William Rothwell, Robert for his father-in-law I assume, and William for his uncle.

Cas, you mention that Edwin learned the plumbing trade from his uncle William and that Abraham and Mary Rothwell might've agreed that William and Ann Clegg raise him and train him (seeing as he and Ann didn't have other children, and might've been unable to.)  The life of a plumber was very much better than that of the average local man in Lancashire in the 1840s and 50s, something Abraham and Mary likely appreciated.  Work in the cotton mills was debilitating in fact, as you'd know better than I if you live in northern England.

Ann Clegg nee Eshelby hailed from Fewston just north of Leeds.  Do the censuses indicate that Mary was from there as well?   (My access to census records is inconsistent just now.)

Thank you again and again!!


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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #26 on: Monday 10 June 24 13:58 BST (UK) »
1851 pob looks like Killinghall for Mary

Ann gives her father as John a farmer on marriage in 1841. You could try

https://www.freereg.org.uk/ for BMD



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Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland