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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #27 on: Monday 10 June 24 14:23 BST (UK) »
Possible or maybe too early..but one for the file

Name   Mary Eshilby
Gender   Female
Birth Date   24 Nov 1808
Baptism Date   5 Feb 1809
Baptism Place   Fewston,York,England
Father   John Eshilby
Mother   Ann
FHL Film Number   0918364, 0100092, 100092, 564370
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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #28 on: Monday 10 June 24 14:30 BST (UK) »
Also a possible as address is Killinghall

Name   Thomas Eshelby
Record Type   Baptism
Birth Date   19 Jul 1816
Baptism Date   19 Apr 1817
Baptism Place   Ripley, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears   Ripley
Father   John Eshelby, lab
Mother   Anne Eshelby

Another possible -Same place/parents

Name   Joshua Eshelby
Record Type   Baptism
Birth Date   10 Apr 1819
Baptism Date   28 May 1820

Can be found in 1851/ 1861 Killinghall with mother Anne.

Death for Joshua in 1864 Killinghall

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #29 on: Monday 10 June 24 14:51 BST (UK) »
Dear Cas,

Checking on 'Free Cen' (which only has census records from 1861, 1871 and 1891 [?]) I see that Edwin and Margaret's eldest was a Jane Ann, which makes sense (I think her name was mentioned in a post earlier, named for her maternal grandmother and Ann Clegg), and the 3rd child, a 2nd girl, is named Mary, so that makes sense too (Mary Eshelby/Eshilby).  Edwin's father Abraham passed when Edwin was @ 17 yr.s, and who knows what their relationship was like, but Edwin doesn't name his son Abraham, which makes sense too seeing as it seems he was adopted.   

Re the Mary Eshilby born in 1808, it's true she's a bit old, Edwin's Mary was born in @ 1812 per both her tombstone and the census, but what I see often in Scottish records is that when a child or an infant dies, the parents will often give the same name to their next born of the same sex.  Maybe the Mary born in 1808 was my great x 3 grandmother's elder sister.  She was born in Fewston, which is @ 8 - 10 km.s from Killinghall, her place of birth per the census, so ...   (Btw, it's interesting how very much my ancestors moved around in the 19th cent.)

Thanks again very much!!!  Anything else you find or come across, please let me know.  :)

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #30 on: Monday 10 June 24 15:13 BST (UK) »
I forgot to ask something, you mentioned that the 1851 census (which I can't access for some reason) indicates that Abraham Rothwell is from Yorkshire, and might have hailed from Halifax.  (You wrote "Abraham Rothwell   37   Head, Yorkshire (Halifax?)")  Is there an indication he was or might've been from Halifax?  Of course I'm curious about him now and his roots.

Thanks again very much!


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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #31 on: Monday 10 June 24 15:16 BST (UK) »
Just a heads up..a large number of trees have these as parents of Mary & Ann. There are girls same ages born to this couple in Northallerton, but they are with parents thoughtout census unmarried. Also he is a Tanner, which is a trade, I think.

John Eshelby (1779-1875)
Eleanor Pallister (1781-1866)

Will check on Abraham

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #32 on: Monday 10 June 24 15:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you again!  I have to log out, but I'll log back on later today or this evening.


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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #33 on: Monday 10 June 24 15:29 BST (UK) »
Rechecked census for Halifax for Abraham & brother Richard

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Abode Ovenden.

Name   Abraham Rothwell
Baptism Date   13 Jun 1813
Baptism Place   Illingworth, St Mary, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears   Illingworth, St Mary (Halifax)
Father   Abraham Rothwell - occ spool spinner
Mother   Mary Rothwell

ILLINGWORTH, in the township of Ovenden, and parish of Halifax, Morley-division of Agbrigg and Morley, liberty of Wakefield, 2 miles NW. of Halifax, 7 from Bradford. The Church is a perpetual curacy, dedicated to St. Mary, in the deanry of Pontefract.

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #34 on: Monday 10 June 24 15:38 BST (UK) »
Possible 1841- All b in county ?
Civil parish   Rochdale

Abraham Rothwell 60 spool?
Mary Rothwell 60
Richard Rothwell 20
Mary Rothwell 15

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Re: Search for parents of a Rothwell (an orphan?) born 1845, raised in Rochdale
« Reply #35 on: Monday 10 June 24 18:08 BST (UK) »
Marriage online for Thomas Eshelby - witness Abraham Rothwell & Ann Eshelby

Name   Thomas Eshelby, ostler
Marriage Age   Of Full Age
Marriage Date   17 Feb 1838
Marriage Place   Rochdale, St Chad, Lancashire, England
Father   John Eshelby - farmer
Spouse   Susy Hanson, father Dan Hanson
Reference Number   L48/1/4/20
Archive Roll   652

Wonder if this is mother Ann, and possibly in same burial place as Abraham & Mary as on inscription?

Ann Eshelby
Age   88
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1778
Registration Quarter   Oct-Nov-Dec 1866
Death Registration Place   Rochdale, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Inferred Death Place   Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume   8e Page   21

Death would fit with what is on inscription.  Maybe moves nearer daughters?

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Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
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