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Help with marriage register please!
« on: Monday 10 June 24 21:31 BST (UK) »
The couple is Alexander Macrae and Margaret McLean (although her surname is not listed). Instead, there's this word at the end of the record - Heille?

Can I get a consensus on this, and does anyone know what this might mean?

This couple had at least one son in 1803, so I guess it's fairly unusual to have such a long wait until they were married. They lived in Bracadale on the Isle of Skye.



MCRAE, Inverness, Dumbarton, Skye
HOUSTON, Govan & Greenock
CAMERON, Govan
MCMILLAN, Govan & Dumbarton
FERGUSON, Glasgow
CAMPBELL, Cardross,
YOUNG, Belfast
CARMEDRAL/CARMICHAEL, Argyll

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 June 24 21:50 BST (UK) »
Heille is a surname, although a rare one. Why can't it be her surname?

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 June 24 22:18 BST (UK) »
I think it was the name of a village in the Bracadale area:

The name "Heilla", also used in 'Cnoc Dubh Heilla' adjacent to this hill, refers to the village of Heille, which was between Fernilea and Portnalong but no longer exists, having been cleared by the Talisker Estate owners in their second wave of clearances, overseen by Hugh MacAskill, the founder of Talisker Distillery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiskavaig

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 June 24 23:23 BST (UK) »
The surname is looks like MACKAE not MACRAE.  There are are other events in Bracadale recorded as MACKAY so probably unlikely that their surname would be spelt differently.    Perhaps this one is also MACRAE.....

Possibly a son baptised also in 1818.

MACKAE, ANGUS
   
ALEXANDER MAC KAE MARGT. MAC NIEL FR 25 (FR25)
   
17/09/1818
   
109  10/17
   
Bracadale

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 June 24 23:42 BST (UK) »
I agree with Monica. Heille is a place name.
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 16:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Anna, I have Margaret's death certificate, both her father and her mother were McLeans (her mother's maiden name is also listed as McLean).

Monica - thank you! This seems very likely and is very interesting. The records i've been finding from my Skye family seem to be better than most at including place names (including croft names) so next time i'm in the area i'll have to have a wee wander.

Debra - thank you for this - the family name is definitely McRae/MacRae, but I will expand my search to include MacKae as i've not been looking at any of them :) . Ancestry.com suggests Angus is indeed a son, but judging by your findings the surname would have to have been misreported as MacNeil rather than McLean.

Thanks all for your help, it's proven very valuable  :)
MCRAE, Inverness, Dumbarton, Skye
HOUSTON, Govan & Greenock
CAMERON, Govan
MCMILLAN, Govan & Dumbarton
FERGUSON, Glasgow
CAMPBELL, Cardross,
YOUNG, Belfast
CARMEDRAL/CARMICHAEL, Argyll

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 19:44 BST (UK) »
I haven't seen the whole page, but I don't think it would be impossible for the MacRae/Heille couple to be the witnesses of the Campbell-Campbell marriage.

Note the surnames in the left hand margin: is there anything similar showing MacRae & Heille?

A lot depends on what immediately follows this extract (and the format of the other entries on the page). Marriage entries normally have a place and a date, so if these are absent for MacRae-Heille, that suggests that this isn't a record of their marriage. There are usually witnesses as well, which is why I think that could be their role in this entry.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 21:57 BST (UK) »
I haven't seen the whole page, but I don't think it would be impossible for the MacRae/Heille couple to be the witnesses of the Campbell-Campbell marriage.

This is how I read it also - they are the witnesses.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Help with marriage register please!
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 11:27 BST (UK) »
This is how I read it also - they are the witnesses.

And I think this would make it more likely that Heille is a location. You wouldn't really marry someone without knowing their name, and although you probably ought to know a witness's name, it's a bit less crucial. The gap could indicate that the surname was unknown, then their abode was given.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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