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Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« on: Tuesday 11 June 24 08:19 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I am trying to positively identify the birth record of an ancestor of my wife.
I have failed thus far.
Elizabeth is in the 1881, 1891, 1901 & 1911 Census data.

Elizabeth Elliot, father Joseph Elliot, Bricklayer, was married at St Mary's Church, Plaistow, London, England, United Kingdom, on 2 March 1872, to Henry John Berry.
County Essex, Country England, Archive Essex Record Office, Archive reference D/P 597/1/29
Event type Marriages, Page number 209, Record set Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records, Subcategory Parish Marriages

In the 1881 Census, Archive reference  RG11, Piece number  648 , Folio  93, Page 38
Schedule  773, Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census, she is listed as below :-

Henry John Berry, Head, Married,  Male,   32, 1849,  Laborer,    Therfield, Hertfordshire, England
Elizabeth Berry     Wife    Married Female 26   1855       -          Kentish Town, Middlesex, England
Charles Wm Berry  Son     Single    Male    7  1874    Scholar     Poplar, Middlesex, England
Walter Berry          Son     Single    Male     4   1877    Scholar   Kentish Town, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Sarah Berry   Daughter  Single  Female 2 1879  -        Kentish Town, Middlesex, England

She was subsequently married to Charles Henry Wilson in St Pancras in March 1896
The combined family appears in the 1901 Census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9ZV-NG4

I have not found her birth record in the GRO.
Her children are in the GRO, with MMN variously Elliot & Livermore.
There is an Elizabeth Livermore in the GRO
Name: LIVERMORE, ELIZABETH
Mother's Maiden Surname:  THUMBWOOD
GRO Reference: 1851  D Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS  Volume 01  Page 315
but the age doesn't match the census age, and Elizabeth was listed as a minor at her first marriage.

If there is any information that anyone can point me towards, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Cheers


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Re: Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 09:21 BST (UK) »


BERRY-ELLIOT marriage certificate, 1872.......what names do you see for witnesses.

Any addresses recorded?

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Re: Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 11:41 BST (UK) »
1861 123 /122/15
Kentish Town
Elizebeth Livermore, 5 yrs b St Pancras
With
Joseph Livermore 48 yrs widower Bricklayer b Hampstead
And other children

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There is a child Betsey aged 10 yrs who I think is the Elizabeth b 1851, you mention.
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Re: Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 11:49 BST (UK) »
Emma Livermore (Thumbwood) died 1853 . There is also a baby, Thomas Livermore , 10 weeks buried on the same day.

This implies that Elizabeth Livermore, 5 yrs in 1861 is either the daughter of Joseph with another woman, or a child of another woman that Joseph has taken on. Although, the second supposition might be more unlikely.
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Re: Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 11:53 BST (UK) »
His older children are probably too young to have had a child in 1855/56 and you would also need to look at other female relatives.  Joseph died before the 1871 census but might be worth seeing if Elizabeth is living with any of Joseph's children.

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Re: Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 12:02 BST (UK) »
Have you checked this birth?
1855 Pancras
Elizabeth Elliott mmn Martin

There is also Elizabeth Ann Elliott 1856 mmn Knight

1871 241 /21/38
I canít read this surname - transcribed as
Thomas Madl 31 yrs
Ann, 29 yrs
Emma Wright 9 yrs niece
Elizabeth Livermore sister 17 yrs

There is a birth for Emma Wright, 1862 mmn Livermore

** Ann Livermore married Thomas Slade in 1862
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Re: Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 June 24 14:02 BST (UK) »


BERRY-ELLIOT marriage certificate, 1872.......what names do you see for witnesses.

Any addresses recorded?

Unfortunately no addresses.
Witnesses are Charles West & Ann Hade ?  Slade?
Name is definitely listed as Elliot ( One t), for Elizabeth & Joseph.
There is an Ann Livermore, 'sister' to Elizabeth, born circa 1843, who would fit from

 
...
1871 241 /21/38
I canít read this surname - transcribed as
Thomas Madl 31 yrs
Ann, 29 yrs
Emma Wright 9 yrs niece
Elizabeth Livermore sister 17 yrs

** Ann Livermore married Thomas Slade in 1862
...

I think this is correct - with Ann.

His older children are probably too young to have had a child in 1855/56 and you would also need to look at other female relatives.  Joseph died before the 1871 census but might be worth seeing if Elizabeth is living with any of Joseph's children.
Debra  :)

But the September Q 1853 death of Emma Thumbwood makes ID ing the mother interesting...
Emma Wright - niece  MMN Livermore  - Elizabeth looks to be too young ...


Thanks for all your help - I am further along now than I was previously, and have a couple of things to go on with.
Cheers


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Re: Elizabeth ELLIOT, b Kentish Town Circa 1855
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 05:52 BST (UK) »
Emma Wright b 1862  - daughter of Emma Jane Livermore & William Wright  m 1859 Pancras.
Sarah Livermore age 12, was with Emma & William in the 1861 Census, along with William Wright aged 5 months.

1871 241 /21/38

Thomas   Slade [Madl]      31 yrs  [Transcription Error]
Ann         Slade                29 yrs  Nee Livermore
Emma     Wright                9 yrs   Niece of Ann, Daughter of William Wright & Emma Thumbwood
Elizabeth Livermore          17 yrs  Sister of Ann

Still looking for the Elliot connection, but the above looks a likely scenario on searches thus far.