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Offline N.Demaine92

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Birth date?
« on: Wednesday 12 June 24 20:04 BST (UK) »
Tying to find the birth date of norah sullivan born in Cork, Ireland.
She married Samuel Ellis born in swaffham, Norfolk, England in 1779.
I don't have a marriage date or location.
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Re: Birth date?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 21:01 BST (UK) »
Since civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 and many church records don't go back before 1800s it will not be easy with only a common name, approx. date of birth and a county.
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Re: Birth date?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 21:29 BST (UK) »
What documentary evidence do you have that she was born in Cork?   How do you know her surname was Sullivan if you don't know when or where they married?


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Re: Birth date?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 21:37 BST (UK) »
Do you know how old she was?
I can see Samuel in the 1851 census in St Pancras with daughter Rebecca; he's described as married but his wife is not with him.
Can't see them in 1841.
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Re: Birth date?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 22:21 BST (UK) »
Is Cork based on the info in a tree on Ancestry which shows a Norah Sullivan born in Cork?  That entry is in the Civil Reg list which only shows births from 1864

A Honor Ellis was buried 1832 Swaffham.  Nora/Norah can often be a corruption of Honora or Honoria
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 22:36 BST (UK) »
Rebecca Ellis is with her sister Frances age 43 and brother-in-law Sydney James Payne 39in 1861 census. Frances is born Swaffham Norfolk.
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 June 24 22:37 BST (UK) »
Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1579-1935
Frances Ellis
Record Type   Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date   26 Sep 1817
Baptism Place   Norfolk, England
Father   Samuel Ellis
Mother   Norah Sullivan
FHL Film Number   1470951

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Re: Birth date?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 June 24 13:42 BST (UK) »
FreeREG has 7 Bapts to Samuel/Norah- Nora in Swaffam 1802-1817

On the bapt of William 19 Dec 1811 Parents are Samuel/Honor Sullivan**
As noted by CaroleW noted can be used as Norah/Norah also.

Interestingly Mother is also down on Burial of Grace 1808  Maiden name late sewell
And on her bapt 1808 to Samuel/Norah, Mother nee SEWELL
(possible entry was hard to read)
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 June 24 13:55 BST (UK) »
Honor who was buried 13 Jan 1832 was age 52 (born c 1780)
On 1 childs bapt she is Norrey
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)