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Last line Inventory 1633
« on: Tuesday 18 June 24 12:31 BST (UK) »
Help with the last line please.

I have:
Ite cheans yokes & othe plow stuff            iii s
Ite debtes spearat? a de?                    C li

I'm surmising the debts are those owing to him, but can't make out the exact words.
Am I correct in thinking the amount is 100 pounds (lib)?

Many thanks
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Last line Inventory 1633
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 June 24 13:02 BST (UK) »
despearate (i.e. given up as a bad job)

Yes, £100

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Re: Last line Inventory 1633
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 June 24 13:05 BST (UK) »
I was writing this when Watson posted.

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It looks like it might be:

It(em) Debtes spearat a despearate ___________________ Cli


I guess that could be a way of saying, Debts for which there is hope and those without hope.

ADDED:

Both words are based on the Latin infinitive sperare = to hope

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Re: Last line Inventory 1633
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 June 24 22:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks you Watson and horselydown.
I've never seen that before on the scores of wills I've done.

Even though it seems there's little likelihood of them being paid, they are still on the inventory, and then added up part of his estate?
He must have been pretty well off to write off 100 pounds in 1633 -- that was a huge amount of money.  :-\
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Last line Inventory 1633
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 June 24 06:14 BST (UK) »
Even though it seems there's little likelihood of them being paid, they are still on the inventory, and then added up part of his estate?
He must have been pretty well off to write off 100 pounds in 1633 -- that was a huge amount of money.  :-\

It's not possible from the entry to identify the proportion of the 100 pounds which was without hope.

It may have been only a few shillings.

All this is assuming my interpretation of the relationship between spearat and despearate is correct.

I'm still bothered by the use of a as the conjunction instead of and/&.

In Latin a can mean after, which could make it, Debts for which there is hope after those without hope (are subtracted).  But it's not written in Latin, as far as we can see.

There's plenty of uncertainty here (in my mind).

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Re: Last line Inventory 1633
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 June 24 07:32 BST (UK) »
The conjunction could be ac (short for atque), meaning "and also", though it is not a normal well-formed "c".

Postscript:  I withdraw the suggestion of ac.  I was forgetting the text is in English.

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Re: Last line Inventory 1633
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 June 24 08:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your insights HD.
Thanks also Watson.
It remains a bit of a puzzle by the sounds of it.
All that can be gleaned I think is that he must have been pretty wealthy even to have loaned out 100 pounds, whether he could recuperate any of it or not.

Here's another interesting couple of lines:
'It(em) a payre of playing tables
It(em) a muscatt & Caslett furnished
'

'Playing tables' - card tables?
A musket and a Corselet?

A corselet was a piece of body armour. I can't see anything called a 'Caslett' or 'Coslett'.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Last line Inventory 1633
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 June 24 13:32 BST (UK) »
Here's another interesting couple of lines:
'It(em) a payre of playing tables
It(em) a muscatt & Caslett furnished
'

'Playing tables' - card tables?
A musket and a Corselet?

I read it the same way, goldie, but can't add any particular insight as to the meaning.