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St Botolph Aldgate parish records - address of parents
« on: Wednesday 19 June 24 19:53 BST (UK) »
Hello

I'm looking for some help with deciphering some place names on parish records from St Botolph Aldgate, London.
The locations are noted at the end of the line and I'm assuming are in the Aldgate area but I can't decipher them except maybe for the word alley, but the plus sign is throwing me.

The original records can be found on Ancestry:
Leonard Redburn  burial - 9th July 1665
Leonard Redburn baptism - 5th April 1663 } possibly the same alley
Sarah Redburn baptism - 3rd January 1664}

Any help is greatly appreciated
Parker - Shoreditch, Finsbury, Islington, Ely
Manley - Shoreditch, Hackney
Moody - Hackney, Walthamstow
Lazzam - City of London, Shoreditch, Bethnal Green
Coburn - Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire
Tarrant - Cambridgeshire
Taylor- Essex, Cambridgeshire

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Re: St Botolph Aldgate parish records - address of parents
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 June 24 21:49 BST (UK) »
Could the + be Cross or Church

So eg. Church Lane Alley

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Re: St Botolph Aldgate parish records - address of parents
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 June 24 22:35 BST (UK) »
I think the 'cross' you're seeing is  w(i)t(hin)  -  an old abbreviation for 'within'.
I have come across this  many times in old wills etc.

The name of the 'ally' starts with a 'b'. Compare it to the 'b' in Redburne.
'bare'?

John Strype's survey of the Cities of London and Westminster mentions 'White Bear Alley' by St Botolph's.
https://www.dhi.ac.uk/strype/TransformServlet?page=book2_027
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: St Botolph Aldgate parish records - address of parents
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 June 24 23:52 BST (UK) »
The 1665 burial of Leonard Redburne was from Rosemary Lane. Only Rosma is written here, but there is a pen-stroke from the end of the word pointing up to Rosemary Lane in the previous entry. Rosemary Lane is now Royal Mint Street. (In general, please post bigger snips, showing at least one line above and one below.)

I agree with White Bear Alley for the other two. This was roughly where Blue Boar Alley is on today's map (EC3N 1AH).


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Re: St Botolph Aldgate parish records - address of parents
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 June 24 12:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks Goldie61, so do you think it reads ‘within” bare alley? As an abbreviation and misspelling of White Bear Alley.
I found a list of streets, alleys etc on this ward map https://mapoflondon.uvic.ca/PORT1.htm no.46 is white bear alley

Thanks also Bookbox I did wonder is this an abbreviation for Rosemary Lane, and thanks for the tip about posting more of the page, this was my first post in this forum so didn’t want to fall foul of the rules and post too much of the parish register
Parker - Shoreditch, Finsbury, Islington, Ely
Manley - Shoreditch, Hackney
Moody - Hackney, Walthamstow
Lazzam - City of London, Shoreditch, Bethnal Green
Coburn - Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire
Tarrant - Cambridgeshire
Taylor- Essex, Cambridgeshire

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Re: St Botolph Aldgate parish records - address of parents
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 June 24 22:23 BST (UK) »
It having been decided it IS 'White Bear alley', that abbreviation could well be one for 'white'.
There's certainly a 'w' and a 't' there.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs