1622 Will most challenging yet!

[Llanfihangel]

Hi,
I have puchased a copy of a Will by Thomas ap Evan Coch 1622 of Battle Breconshire from the Library of Wales. I am researching the Pugh and Gwilym families of Battle and Merthyr Cynog in the 1600s. There are very few records available at that time.

I seem to have landed on this, the earliest of my records. It refers to an Ap Hugh (Pugh) and a Gwlm (Gwyllim), but I can't decipher the entries attached..

Please help if you can,

As always, thanks for your help!!

Llanfi 

[horselydown86]

I've done the English text.

I haven't attempted to expand contracted names because you will know better than I what they should become.

A true and p(er)fecte inventorie of all the good(es) cattell

and chattells of Thomas ap Evan coch of the

Battell late diceased priced valued and

rated by watkin ap Richard and david ap gllim

and Ienn? ap Hugh

[horselydown86]

I've had a preliminary look at the second clip.  It's a straightforward probate clause with administration committed to a Margaret the Relict but two aspects are unclear.

First, regarding the date = the day is 20 and the year is 1622 but the month looks like jbris.

The bris suggests it should be from September to December.  What the first character means is a mystery.

My only thought is that it might be an o with the flourish at the bottom somehow signifying contraction, but that is pure speculation.

Secondly, her surname.  It might be:  v? ll v??? or v? ll v??h

Again that's just speculation.

[Watson]

Possibly "9bris", which is an abbreviation which is sometimes used for November.

[Bookbox]

I think the administration is granted to: 

Margarete v(er)ch d(avi)d vid(ue) Relicte d(i)c(t)i def(uncti)
Margaret, daughter of David, widow, relict of the said deceased

I would agree with 9bris = November.

[Watson]

As horselydown86 suggested, the "bris" element must mean the month is from September to December.

Thus, we have these possibilities:

7bris = Septembris
8bris = Octobris
9bris = Novembris
10bris = Decembris

Of the above, the initial character in the text looks most like a "9", so I think the month is probably November.

[Llanfihangel]

Hello Bookbox, Horselydown86, and Watson.

English Part;
Could it be Ieuen ap Hugh?

Latin Part:
I think it is Margaret vz Glm (Margaret duaghter of Glm)
I would like to have an interpretation of the whole of the latin part if possible.

I am attaching two other parts of the file. Maybe they can help in the deciphering!

Thanks again for your expertise and unique help!

Llanfi 

[horselydown86]

English Part;
Could it be Ieuen ap Hugh?

That suggestion helps make sense of the writing.  It could certainly be:  Ieuan ap Hugh

It's written with the superscript a little behind the final n, meaning it looks like Ienn^a.

However I'm entirely comfortable that this can be interpreted as Ieu^an.

[horselydown86]

I would like to have an interpretation of the whole of the latin part if possible.

I've done most of it.  I've bypassed Margaret's surname (on which I'm not qualified to speak) and

am not certain of a couple of insignificant words in the formalities near the end:

20 November 1622  Administration was committed to

Margaret [?] widow Relict of the said deceased

before Master Richard Turbervill, [?] master Commissioner etc Sworn etc saving

[?] etc