Old church registers

[tejjy]

I'm looking for a marriage certificate for an Anne Chapman, hoping to get her father's name to resolve an ambiguity. The online taranscription doesn't have it, and although there's a film number, it's not online.

The church is St Mary in Leake, Yorkshire. I've been waiting a while for them to reply, put maybe there's a 'standard' answer - where would those original registers be now? Hopefully still the UK...

And is it a church-by-church question, or a denominatron-by-denomination question, or what?

thanks in advance. I'll be in the UK in September, just starting to line up my archives visits...

[Ashtone]

What year is the marriage? Who is the groom?

If it's a marriage prior to 1837 it won't be a marriage certificate. Just a marriage record, which doesn't include parent names. If there's an available image you'll see marriage witness names only. Sometimes witnesses can be a family member(s) so it's always advisable to check the witnesses.

ADDED

Is this the Anne Chapman baptised in 1777?  Parents: Thomas & Mary Chapman. Abode: Borrowby

[Ashtone]

So far I can see about four parish marriages for an Ann/e Chapman in Leake.

The (parish) marriage years range from 1700 to 1828.

FindMyPast UK have the online images for these four marriages. If you don't have a FindMyPast sub you can purchase each image for a very low cost. Normally £1.00 per image.

[tejjy]

What year is the marriage? Who is the groom?

If it's a marriage prior to 1837 it won't be a marriage certificate. Just a marriage record, which doesn't include parent names. If there's an available image you'll see marriage witness names only. Sometimes witnesses can be a family member(s) so it's always advisable to check the witnesses.

ADDED

Is this the Anne Chapman baptised in 1777?  Parents: Thomas & Mary Chapman. Abode: Borrowby

i have a choice of 2; one has father Thomas, the other father John. My notes say 1777/1779?. I'm hoping the marriage record will help disentangle them, but I take your point about certificates being a modern invention.

some else has noted that FindMyPast-UK has images - maybe I've missed them being in Australia.

Thanks for the info

[tejjy]

Married William Trenam in November1804

[Little Nell]

The images that FindMyPast host are in fact the Bishops' Transcripts, so there is no help with regard to seeing witness names, which might have provided a clue.

In cases like this, it may mean that you have to look at both possible sets of parents, look at the names of others in their families to see if their children used similar names in their own families.  Also see if you can eliminate one or other candidates by checking out the burials.  At the moment I cannot find any Anne Chapman burials in Leake after 1712, so perhaps both survived to adulthood.

I think that the original parish registers are held at Northallerton.  You can view the original images at a FHL or FHL affiliated site.

Nell

[BumbleB]

The Banns are also shown on FindMyPast.  The William Trenham marriage shows the witnesses as - Thomas Coussins, William Sadler and Ann Hill.  All parties signed the register.  William Trenham is said to be of the parish of Helmsley.  Marriage date 26 November 1804.

Added:  looking again at the image, the details for William are listed as Trenham but HE signs as TRENAN. 

[Biggles50]

There is often no way to tell the parentage of the pair being married.

The image of the marriage record to William Trenam does not give any clues unless you recognise the names of the witnesses.

That said if the husband is of the same parish then rent records may place the couple in a nearby location to her parents

In FindMyPast some of the originals seem to be in Durham University archives and others that the transcriptions were undertaken by the Durham and Northumberland Family History Society so both these are worth contacting prior to your visit.

With luck a DNA test may give matches to a MRCA at Ann’s parent level or just beyond this would then give you a more likely probability as to which is her Father.

A test taken now should have the results and a list of DNA matches mid to late August.

[goldie61]

On both the 1851 and 1861 Census, Ann Trenam, widow of William Trenam, says she was born Cundall, Yorkshire. She is 71 years old in 1851, and 81 years old in 1861, making a birth date of about 1780.
1841 Census has children Ann, Jane, George, Arthur,
1851 Ann, widow, lives with daughter Mary, aged 44, and Mark, aged 39, and grandson William aged 12.
1861 Ann lives with grandson Edward aged 19.

William Trenham died 18 May 1847.

There is only one Ann Chapman born at Cundall 1780 +/- 5 years. That is the one with father John.
Baptised 30th April 1780

Ann Trenam died 25th May 1861
There's a photo of her grave here if you've not seen it
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/233857951/ann-trenam

John Chapman married Mary Hollings 9 May 1779 Cundall (Not seen actual image).


By the way, if you don't have a sub to findmypast (I don't), you could check with your library to see if  they pay a subscription and you can access records there for free. I know many of the libraries in New Zealand do this, so I suspect Australia might do the same.
The same goes for locked films on familysearch.com. Some you can view at home if you're signed in, (free account), but some can only be viewed at an LDS family history library, or 'affiliate library' - of which some ordinary libraries are.