Rothiemurchus

[Lisajpalm76]

Hi I've been to Rothiemurchus today. My 4x great grandmother was born there in 1784 Grace anne cameron. She's a road block just know her dad was James a farmer. Does anyone know about the area? I can read about the estate but would like to know anything about ordinary farmers  I realise James cameron is a common name. But would they have been part of the clearances as they seem to have moved to banffshire. Well Grace did by 1810. Thanks for any help

[David Nicoll]

Hi,
    Without knowing a bit more it is difficult to be certain.
    Tenancies in Scotland were changing at around this time and were starting to get more expensive. This drove a lot of people to both move and emigrate. Many of my Deeside relatives emigrated, albeit slightly later. There are a lot of books and other resources on the subject. It is complicated. Bear in mind also that the big landowners had land all over, so a tenancy might become available a long way from where you might expect.
You haven’t said where you found out about Grace, was it on Scotland’s People if not have a look there as it may give the farm name.
Also how certain are you of the link Rothiemurchus?
I have come across cases where baptisms or the records were a long way from the place of birth. Deeside and Fife, for example.

[Lisajpalm76]

Hi all I know about Grace is from here census and death certificate I cannot find birth or marriage certificates.  But census says born Rothiemurchus.  Married Alexander mcgregor of strathaven banffshire.  It isn't called that now. Their first child was born 1810 in banff and her dc says dad was James cameron a farmer. So I don't expect to find any specifics on her unless a dna match somehow shows siblings etc but getting to know a bit more about the lives of common people around the area would be nice

[Little Nell]

Welcome to RootsChat.

There would not be any certificates as such. These were not introduced until 1855 in Scotland.  And unfortunately not all old parish registers were complete or may not have survived for the dates you are interested in.  Is her mother's name recorded on the death certificate at all?

Do their children's names provide any clues about possible parents' names?  It is often the case that the traditional naming pattern is followed, which might help.

Nell

[Lisajpalm76]

Her mum isn't named no. And unfortunately her husbands parents are mystery too. I have found a few possibilities but only dna could solve it. There was a grace grant married to a James cameron. I've also found a grace Anne born 1816 to a James cameron and Jane mcgregor so possibly a niece of my grace but very hit and miss. Their oldest was John so I'm thinking probably named after paternal grandfather. But they had quite a few children. Jane Ann Mary and margaret are all possible names for their mums lol

[Lisajpalm76]

Hi Neil I did use scotlands people. There are a lot of descendants of this couple but by using scotlands people I discovered the accepted parentage was wrong. They had info from the wrong Alexander's death and the grace cameron was the wrong one and had married a cuthbert grant. It was much easier with the wrong people but not helpful . I couldn't even find their grave plots coz aberdeen council only have from 1935 and there were lots I could get to in cemetery if even marked. And even their house is gone. Only 2 in the street are missing where a cul de sac has been built. Just seems really unlucky that both of them are a mystery but it was a very long time ago

[David Nicoll]

Hi,
     It does sound a challenge, i would be trying to build as wide a tree as possible. Any associated families.
      Am I right in thinking this is the McGregor family of New Pitsligo? He was born in Kirkmichael? They were living with the Gordon family also of Kirkmichael, are they related?
  I have got through brick walls using a similar approach.
  As Nell says, and you have already considered, can you build a tree with the correct parents names. If they followed tradition it was quite rigid.

As a follow on, something rang a bell.

There are a few other posts on this family on RootsChat

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842904.msg7096038#msg7096038

And I had forgotten about the proscription of the McGregor name, so there were lots of Aliases!

Happy Hunting.

[Lisajpalm76]

Yes they are the mcgregors of new pitsligo.  I shall check the link thankyou

[Lisajpalm76]

I believe their daughter Mary married charles grant