Grace Tadloo - b.1802 - COMPLETED

[K127]

Hello, I've finally got an ancestor with an unusual name (!) but I'm still struggling to pin her down. I'm new to researching and any advice about if I'm on the right track would be really helpful.

The lady is GRACE TADLOO, and she married James Thomas Richards on 4th May 1818 at St Georges, Hanover Square in London. The witnesses aren't related to them. (At first I thought this was wrong because James was a labourer and the church seemed a bit posh but it seems like lots of everyday people married at that church too?)

I found Grace and James Thomas hiding in the 1841 & 51 Censuses - I say hiding because both times they only give their first initials for them and some of their kids. Oddly they name the youngest two girls (Mary & Emma) fully in both censuses.

1841 they're in Park Street St Saviour, Southwark
1851 they're in Provost Street, Shoreditch.

In the 51 Census Grace's place of birth is listed as Bermondsey. But, I can't find any record of any Grace Tadloos of roughly that age born anywhere but one in Upminster, Essex.

Would she have lied on the census? They don't seem to like giving details (the initials instead of full names). I searched other Tadloos and none really have links to Bermondsey but I found a Thomas Tadloo of roughly the same age as Grace (maybe a brother) and he was born in Upminster but it seems like he was removed from Shoreditch back to Upminster in the 1820s because of poor laws. Would Grace be worried about that, and so claim she was born in Bermondsey?

[Added: I haven't yet found her in later censuses - James Thomas Richards dies in 1853]

I'd love for it to be Upminster Grace, but I just wanted to sound out more expert heads than mine. Would be grateful for any thoughts! Thank you.

[jim1]

I take it the Grace you found was the one born in 1799 to Thomas & Susanna
at Upminster.
They had a large number of children including a Thomas Tadloo b. 1797.
Most of the children were Baptised on the same day in 1805.
Have you tried to find any of the other children?
Added: just discovered she had a twin brother Joseph.

[ShaunJ]

She could have been born in Bermondsey. A baptism 6 years later in Upminster doesn't mean she was born in Upminster.

As Jim1 suggests, tracing the birthplaces of the siblings might be helpful.

[K127]

Hi Jim,

That's the one, yes. I hadn't realised there were lots baptised on the same day! I'll go have a look, thank you.

Is the thinking they might all be born elsewhere, but when they all came back "home" to Upminster, they were all baptised? So Grace could have been born in Bermondsey after all?

Just trying to get my head round it all, thank you for your patience!

[K127]

She could have been born in Bermondsey. A baptism 6 years later in Upminster doesn't mean she was born in Upminster.

As Jim1 suggests, tracing the birthplaces of the siblings might be helpful.

Our posts crossed - thank you! I'll do that.

[jim1]

I notice the name also appears as Tadlow mostly from Upminster
although your family always appear as Tadloo.
As the 1st. child was born 1795 they probably married (can't find one)
early 1790's which indicates a birth of around 1770.
There is a Thomas Tadlow born 1771 Upminster to a Thomas & Grace.
Maybe one for the backburner.

[emeltom]

Thomas Tadlow married Susannah Frisk 25 November 1794 in Whitechapel

They had the following children all baptised Upminster, Essex

Mary Ann born 20 February 1795 baptised 19 July 1795
Thomas born 28 May 1797 baptised 25 April 1805
Grace and Joseph born 28 May 1799 baptised 28 April 1805
Davis born 20 June 1802 baptised 27 August 1802
Hannah born 20 September 1803 baptised 28 April 1805
James born 4 July 1805 baptised 8 September 1805

Thomas is buried in Hornchurch, Essex 1828 and Susanna, also in Hornchurch , in 1819

[K127]

Oh wow, this is so helpful - you're all so quick at this, it takes me ages! Thank you!!

Jim1 - thank you for that 1771 Thomas Tadlow, I'll pop him on my list to investigate.

Does anyone have any ideas why there'd be a flurry of baptisms over a few months in 1805? Is it just the logistics, not wanting to do too many on the same day? My close family isn't religious so it's not clear to me.

[ShaunJ]

Does anyone have any ideas why there'd be a flurry of baptisms over a few months in 1805?

The 25 April 1805 date for Thomas's baptism could be a mistranscription.  He was probably baptised along with Joseph, Grace, and Hannah on Sunday 28 April 1805. The next child to be baptised in 1805, James, wasn't born until July.