Not much to go on... Ann from Castlemartyr b1797

[overlandermatt]

My GGG grandmother was Ann Lock(e) who stated she was from Castlemartyr or Cork on UK census returns and was born in 1797. I really don't have much more to go on - she married a British soldier John Lock sometime before 1825 when they both came to Devon, settled and had a family.

I would be very interested to know whether there might be records in Ireland that might be relevant to Ann. I cannot find any mention of a maiden name which suggests this is likely to be an impossible task. Perhaps of relevance is a middle name she gave to two of her children - Evan(s). Other than that I don't have much to work with.

I wondered whether there would be any records of births in Castlemartyr around 1797? Any suggestions would be very welcome. Thank you!

[shanreagh]

There are parish records but these do not start until after 1797.

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0059?locale=en

Have you looked for the Army records of John Lock/e?

Have you got the dates and names of the children of John Lock and Ann.

The Irish did have a naming pattern for children:

A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:

First son usually named for the father's father
Second son usually named for the mother's father
Third son usually named for the father
Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother
Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother
First daughter usually named for the mother's mother
Second daughter usually named for the father's mother
Third daughter usually named for the mother
Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister
Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister.

from:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ireland_Naming_Customs

I am not sure if you have traced John Lock/e. If you have you would be able to work out the names that perhaps are from his side of the family.  Some times the ones not accounted for may fall into the naming patterns above and give you some clues.

[shanreagh]

In irish researching it is useful/essential/helpful to have the
religion
townland 'A townland is a small geographical division of land used in Ireland. The townland system is of Gaelic origin, pre-dating the Norman invasion, and most have names of Irish Gaelic origin. However, some townland names and boundaries come from Norman manors, plantation divisions, or later creations of the Ordnance Survey.'

Castlemartyr is a townland

https://www.townlands.ie/cork/imokilly/castlemartyr/castlemartyr/#osm

What was Ann's religion? or of her children?

Some info about Castlemartyr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlemartyr

[overlandermatt]

Thank you so much Shanreagh for your detailed reply. I've not previously found any Irish heritage in the family so researching Ann is a little different.

In terms of what I do know about Ann, she was married by the time she came to the UK - John Lock's discharge papers from Dublin in 1825 mention her and she is given an allowance for passage to Belfast and then marching pay to get back to the place of enlistment (Plymouth Dock as it was in 1807, now Devonport).

Ann and John Lock appear in the 1841 census in Moreleigh, a small village near Kingsbridge in Devon. They have 6 children there - Jane, Eliza, George, Margaret (my gg grandmother), Sarah and James. The youngest two die in infancy. Margaret and James were both given the name Evan or Evans.

John Lock died in 1845 and the children later disperse - two daughters go to East Stonehouse and Ann is there in the 1861, 71 and 81 census returns where Margaret appears to be her carer in later life until she died in 1882. Castlemartyr and County Cork are mentioned on the census returns but there is no other reference from the documents I have. It looks like she might have been close to a couple of her granddaughters and one does go to live in Ireland at some point (I've yet to look into this) to see if there is a connection to a wider family.

I'm not sure about her religion. Her children were baptised in an Anglican church in Devon.

To go back to John Lock, I was given some very helpful pointers by other RootsChatters last year. There were discharge papers and subsequent pension records that linked John to Moreleigh and his death in 1845. The discharge papers showed he was a member of the 2nd Battalion of the Royal Artillery and that he signed up in Plymouth in 1807. He was discharged in 1825 in Dublin (Island Bridge?) for medical  reasons.

It's not been simple to find out where he was stationed in the 18 years since enlistment. The artillery battalions were divided into companies that took the name of their commanding officer at that time. There was just one that appeared to be in Plymouth and Ireland to match John Lock's record and from this I can see he went on the ill fated expedition to Walcheron in the Napoleonic War where mosquito-borne disease killed many thousands of those involved. The company later went to Scotland and then Ireland perhaps in 1815. That's about all I have come up with to date.

Whether you can think of any other leads I can follow that would be really helpful.

Thanks again.

 

[shanreagh]

Thanks that is really interesting and you have quite a bit of info already. 

Just to look at the childrens' names and the Irish naming patterns (the irish being the irish did nto slavishly follow this tradtional way, my lot have children named after a great uncle, local worthies, the minster who christened the child....

This works best if we know that all the children are listed, even the ones who die young. Do you know if this is a complete list of all the children?

Jane 1st daughter  named for mother's mother ,
Eliza 2nd daughter named for father's mother, is this correct?
George  1st son so in theory named for father's father ie John Lock's father, is this correct?
Margaret Evan/s  third daughter named for mother (so falls down already)
Sarah fourth daughter named for mother's eldest sister
James Evan/s 2nd son named for mother's father

But I think there are clues with Margaret and jmes having Evan or Evans in thier names. 

and the naming patterns

First son usually named for the father's father
Second son usually named for the mother's father
Third son usually named for the father
Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother
Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother
First daughter usually named for the mother's mother
Second daughter usually named for the father's mother
Third daughter usually named for the mother
Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister
Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister.

But I think there are clues with Margaret and James having Evan or Evans in their names. I had another thought that the Margaret may have been a favourite older sister of Ann.

[overlandermatt]

Thanks again!

I will have to get my notes out regarding John Lock's parents - I think the father was also a John and the mother Jane.

That said, I'm not totally convinced I have all the details for his parents and siblings. The parish records in Kingsbridge were not great.

I'm reasonably sure I have all the children dead and alive born in Devon. There was no mention of others coming from Ireland.

I have a 10 year window (1815-1825) in which John might have got married in Ireland. I wonder whether marriage records were kept from that time and whether any more army records might exist. I'm amazed the discharge and pensions still survive.

I suspect this might be the end of the line for Ann unless someone somewhere has some shared DNA and a link to the missing family...

[rathmore]

have you look on find my past or church/civil records

http://www.findmypast.co.uk

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie

what do you know about John did he get pension from the army?  When did they both die?