Dead or alive?

[BridgetM]

On the baptism records of Henry Wilkinson, 1782 and William Wilkinson, 1784, Topcliffe, their paternal grandfather, Henry Wilkinson, labourer/husbandman, of Ripen, is noted (as well as their maternal grandfather). But, on Mary Wilkinson’s baptism, 1786, Topcliffe, no paternal grandfather is noted. (Her maternal grandfather is.) Is there any significance to the omission of a paternal grandfather in 1786?

Also, when Henry Wilkinson (1782) remarried 10 Oct 1837 in Leeds, his father is listed as Thomas Wilkinson, occupation gardener. No mention of his being deceased. Is it safe to assume that his father was still alive in 1837? (He was born about 1760.)

Thanks!
Bridget

[BushInn1746]

On the baptism records of Henry Wilkinson, 1782 and William Wilkinson, 1784, Topcliffe, their paternal grandfather, Henry Wilkinson, labourer/husbandman, of Ripen, is noted (as well as their maternal grandfather). But, on Mary Wilkinson’s baptism, 1786, Topcliffe, no paternal grandfather is noted. (Her maternal grandfather is.) Is there any significance to the omission of a paternal grandfather in 1786?

Also, when Henry Wilkinson (1782) remarried 10 Oct 1837 in Leeds, his father is listed as Thomas Wilkinson, occupation gardener. No mention of his being deceased. Is it safe to assume that his father was still alive in 1837? (He was born about 1760.)

Thanks!
Bridget

The detail in Yorkshire baptism Registers seem to vary from place to place and even vary at times in the same Register, as though it depended on the Clerk.

In Yorkshire c.1780s/1790 to c.1812 you can find a Mother's maiden surname (M. S.) or not, in others enough to work out Grandparents of the child.

In a very few Registers this practice of naming the Mother's M.S. (nee) name continued after 1812.

There seems to be no rule as to what was entered in some Registers.

I would recommend seeing an image of every record, even a Father's Occupation can help.

I have found one extra small snippet in a B.T. that was not in the Parish Register.

Some, B.T.s are exact copies and others are a simple summary of the P. R. entry.

Widow
I have seen images of several Parish Marriages, with no reference to being a Spinster or Widow.

When I have got the Marriage Licence image it confirmed she was a Widow.

E & W Marriage Certificates from Late 1837
On the Marriage Certificates from 1837 it is not safe to assume the Father is still alive, if Dec'd or Deceased is omitted, near the Father's name and Occupation.

[BumbleB]

So, at least for Henry in 1782 and William in 1784 - these are Dade registers where parents and grandparents are named.  Mary in 1786 is not alone in not having her paternal grandfather named - again a Dade register.

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095657505?p=emailAePZadjJxzxQQ&d=/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095657505

[BridgetM]

Thank you so much, BushInn1746 and BumbleB!

Mary’s baptism record, 1786, has her mother’s name and her maternal grandfather’s name: Thomas Reynard of Doll [Dole] Bank farmer. I was curious about the omission of her paternal grandfather, but clearly that has no real significance. (I had been wondering if he might have died between 1784 and 1786, and that’s why he might have been omitted? There’s no vicar’s name, but the handwriting is similar from 1782-1786.)

[Pennines]

The Dade Registers are SO useful to genealogists, but sadly didn't last that long. I suppose it involved more time and trouble for Vicars recording all this background information.

There is information about Dade registers here;

https://www.exploreyourgenealogy.co.uk/the-dade-registers-850

I was over the moon that some of my ancestors came from a Yorkshire Parish (Sherburn in Elmet) - where these registers were used for the period they were.

I also agree with BushInn regarding certificates after the start of Civil Registration not always showing if a father was deceased. I suspect the Registrar may not always have asked the question - is he still alive?