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Name?
« on: Thursday 05 September 24 23:21 BST (UK) »
Hello,
The photo below is of a Given Name and Surname.  He is the Father of the Bride at a wedding in 1856 in England.
I am struggling to decipher the given name, any help would be much appreciated.  Thank you.

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Re: Name?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 September 24 22:43 BST (UK) »
Rowing Pond?

Is this his death?

Deaths Sep 1867 
POND    Rowing    77    Downham    4b   233
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Name?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 September 24 22:57 BST (UK) »
Wow - yes. This fellow is an Innkeeper which tracks! Thank you!

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Re: Name?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 September 24 23:52 BST (UK) »
There is definitely a man of that name in Norfolk. There is a daughter Sarah in 1841 any connection to the bride?

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Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland


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Re: Name?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 September 24 23:59 BST (UK) »
Maybe not, as she does not seem to marry.

Would agree with Annie, it looks like Rowing Pond.
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Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Name?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 07 September 24 00:07 BST (UK) »
Yes, I agree. It looks like Rowling Pond

Rowing POND marriage 30 May 1817 Wretton Norfolk to Elizabeth JACKSON

Children:- Mary 1819, Elizabeth 1820, Sarah 1822, Thomas 1830, John 1832, Marie 1837


1841 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M791-9WW

1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6W-PL8

1861 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7NG-6R6

Rowing Jetty Pond baptised 1790 Weating Norfolk
Son of Mary ROWING and Thomas POND
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
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Re: Name?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 07 September 24 00:10 BST (UK) »
Amazing!

The bride is Mary Pond, she married William Fitzjohn at St. Leonard's in Shoreditch.  I am trying to find their child(ren) to see if they are my great-grandfather's parents as I know that they are called William and Mary.

My great-grandfather was John Fitzjohn, and in 1881 at St Mary's Orphanage. I think his birth name was William and had a brother James as those names are listed in care in 1871. 

Thank you so much!


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Re: Name?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 October 24 15:03 BST (UK) »
Other thread, looking for info on Home Children. Sadly unless confirmed by other sources, the parent's first names may not necessarily be correct. Have you a source for the names Wm. & Mary?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=885554.0

The Fitzjohn/Pond marriage took place at St Leonard's, Shoreditch which is an Anglican church. This doesn't necessarily rule them out entirely, as perhaps only one spouse was Catholic.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:84KX-ZNZM
A Frederick, with mother Pond ( the only result for Pond maiden name, sadly)
GRO Reference: 1862  D Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION  Volume 04B  Page 371


FreeBMD has an Annie Louisa Fitzjohn - Birth registered March Quarter 1861
Whitechapel Whitechapel  Vol. 1c  p.410 but sadly no results on GRO!
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
There's also a death registered for a Mary Fitzjohn age 40 Whitechapel Vol. 1c  p.305
If this turns out to be your Mary the father may have put the children into care.


Oddly...Had I not seen the Pond marriage online, I'd have looked into the Caton surname - on the same result as Pond...as there is only one GRO result for a James (thought to be brother of Wm/John)
1865  June Quarter WHITECHAPEL  Vol. 01C  p.386
But surname Caton doesn't seem to come up with a Fitzjohn marriage except that match disproven above? 

I see that someone else has claimed a different couple to be your ancestors...even though the dates, & other info don't match up...
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LH1W-CHT
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Re: Name?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 07 October 24 16:47 BST (UK) »
That Downham Union result?  Would that be the workhouse in Norfolk? This makes sense & doesn't make sense...all at the same time...but just a coincidence or your couple elsewhere?

Fredrick on census, family no longer in a workhouse (brother was also b. Downham Union)
Parents are William & Mary so is this the couple from that marriage or have I lost the plot?
1871  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFN5-P6Y
1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-N4JG

adding: This Mary may have been too old to bear a child in 1871, although it is not impossible...
            Age, if correct does not match marriage.
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