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Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« on: Monday 09 September 24 16:49 BST (UK) »
Looking for any information on a Thomas Taylor  . . . . . .

He had a daughter Margaret Jane - she married Ben Sargent 14 March 1850. She Died 6 March 1913 so far I've not been able to trace her parents or siblings - picked her father's name (Thomas up via marriage cert)
Draperstown: Trowlan, Quinn, Convery, Kelly, McKenna, Griffin, Sergeant, Hamilton, Taylor.
Monaghan: Duffy, McArdle
Sligo: Egan.
Mayo: Loftus.
Dungannon: Reilly, Milligan, Ryan, Harte.

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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 September 24 17:27 BST (UK) »
Ben used his full name at marriage it seems:

BENJAMIN SARGEANT
MARGARET TAYLOR
15 March 1850
Magherafelt

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/c83f0d3207022

Also, the marriage entry yields further clues re Margaret, in that she lived in Carnamoney townland at the time of marrying:

https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/ballynascreen/carnamoney/carnamoney/

was of full age, and her father, Thomas, was a farmer (whilst likely, it cannot be assumed he also lived in Carnamoney townland).

Have you looked for Thomas in Griffiths Valuation, Valuation Revision Books etc?

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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 September 24 18:19 BST (UK) »
In a different church (Presbyterian rather than Church of Ireland), but the Mary Ann who married a William McKinney in 1854 below might have been a sister to Margaret Jane, so just to note for now:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09474/5433715.pdf


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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 September 24 18:24 BST (UK) »
Another 'maybe' to note for now, Matilda Taylor who married John Wright in the Presbyterian Church in 1859:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09574/5471866.pdf



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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 September 24 19:06 BST (UK) »

Thomas Taylor in Griffiths Valuation (1859) at Moyheeland townland, Ballynascreen C.P.

https://tinyurl.com/87jcjxdr (click '+' below Details)

Moyheeland borders Carnamoney townland (to the north).
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/ballynascreen/draperstown/moyheeland/


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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 September 24 21:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you that’s a great help. I assume the bride would have converted to the husbands religion prior to wedding which might explain why the females could be a variation of pres. and CoI?
Draperstown: Trowlan, Quinn, Convery, Kelly, McKenna, Griffin, Sergeant, Hamilton, Taylor.
Monaghan: Duffy, McArdle
Sligo: Egan.
Mayo: Loftus.
Dungannon: Reilly, Milligan, Ryan, Harte.

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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 September 24 21:48 BST (UK) »
A Presbyterian marrying in Church of Ireland (or visa versa) didn't need to convert. Marriages usually, but not always, take place in bride's church then the couple might attend his church afterwards (again not set in stone).
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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 11 September 24 18:55 BST (UK) »

Following on from reply #4, a Thomas Taylor (a married farmer of Moyheeland) died on 9 June 1872 aged 83 yrs. The informant was a Hamilton Taylor.    #113
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020740/7276372.pdf

Hamilton Taylor married Jane Pitts - 17 October 1854 - Draperstown Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09474/5433719.pdf
Hamilton of Moyheeland with father Thomas Taylor, a farmer.


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Re: Thomas Taylor Carnamoney Draperstown
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 September 24 18:19 BST (UK) »
 babykate
I have been reading through this thread and I feel your pain.
I  have been researching my husband's family for almost 20yrs and his 2x great grandparents were called Hamilton and Taylor who married in 1858 and came from the same areas.

The marriage banns were read in both Draperstown and Ballynascreen.
The Hamilton family definitely lived in Carnamoney

I believe it was his 2 x great grandmother named Taylor who came from Ballynascreen but, her father's name is given as John Taylor, a farmer.
Noticeably, there was no child named John among their children.



Trying to research these families has always been difficult and can find no definitive proof for anything beyond this couple but, have made an informed decision that the parents of his 2x great grand father were Robert Hamilton and Mary Ann Hanna.

If you look at some of the possible connected marriages provided by others on this thread, you will see the name Hanna appearing as witnesses.

My husband has a lot of DNA matches linking to various couples from Draperstown .
It's not clear if their research is correct or if guesswork was involved but, based on their information,  I can't make the exact connection to any of these matches but, it's always the same batch of last names that lead to Draperstown. : Hamilton, Taylor and Hanna.

The name Moore appears in children and they also had childrn named Samuel and Matlida.
My husband's 2xgreat grandfather died in Carnamoney in 1877.
His widow and all of their children moved to Scotland.
( none of the possible connected marriages posted refer to their children)

The other thing I noted is although the 1858 marriage states the couple were Presbyterian, after their move to Scotland ( I dont know what faith they practised  in Ireland) this family was definitely Christian Brethern

Have you done a DNA test?

Anne

EDIT.
After many years of searching, I discovered the death of my husband's 2x great grandmother and found where the name Moore came from
She was the daughter of John Taylor and Eliza Moore and she and all her siblings were born in Moyheeland.
Taylors on the Griffiths Valuation at Moyheeland are John, James Snr, James Junr, Thomas and David.
David Taylor was a witness to the 1858 marriage of my husband's 2x great grandparents.

It's a bit of a guess but, it's more than possible that  my husband's 3x great grandfather John Taylor and Thomas Taylor referred to in the OP were brothers.
Perhaps they were the sons of James Taylor Snr